But those people don't even have the option, so what do you mean they prefer to not walk/bike? How pleasant walking/biking will be is linked to density, reduced distance to amenities, and infrastructure, things almost no US cities have.

I live blocks from Costco in one of those cities but the option is either get on my bike and share the four-lane road with aggressive drivers in massive trucks/SUVs or use a tiny sidewalk that randomly stops and picks up again a block or two later.

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SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What are you going to buy at Costco that you can carry home on a bike?

In other words, if you want to bike to get your groceries, Costco is the wrong choice.

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hombre_fatal 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not relevant. If the word Costco is too distracting to interact with my point, then replace it with any place you might want to go in a day.

The lack of infrastructure is what makes the routine unpleasant, not failing to carry a small bag of bagels home. Not even the weather since riding a bike casually creates a breeze.

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SoftTalker an hour ago | parent [-]

My point was that if you want to bike to get things you need, you have to go to places that are on more local scale.

A place like Costco can only exist with the support of a large amount of car infrastructure. So if you want to go there that's what you have to deal with.

	▲	hombre_fatal an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Costco happens to have a couple products I want that I used to bring back by bike until I decided it wasn't worth it unless I was already walking back from the cafe near it. Swap Costco out with any place I might want to go, and my point doesn't change because whether I can carry a bag of six bagels or eat a pizza in their food court isn't up for debate. You got one-shot by a triviality. The argument is not whether Costco should be the one building built in more density acoss our cities but whether our cities are hospitable to walking/biking. Costco just happens to be an example of a business I used to like to bike to near me, but it's adjacent to many other businesses I could have mentioned instead like restaurants, a cafe, and my friend's apartment, not the sole reason the streets exist around it.

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lenerdenator 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wait until you try putting a Costco-sized bulk package of something on a bike.

	▲	hombre_fatal an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Interesting how both responses zoomed in on the one part of the comment that wasn't a problem for me and asserted that it was the problem. Replace Costco with "some place I like to go" if that is less distracting.