| ▲ | buran77 a day ago |
| Discs are less convenient so people have slowly moved to digital sales. This worked even better for console manufacturers, cheaper to drop that disc reader, and the second hand market is effectively dead which increases new game sales. The side-effect most people didn't consider is that you never really own a digital copy. And the most relevant part is that you cannot transfer/sell a digital copy. For everything else around ownership I know I can count on Sony to still screw it up even with discs, like disabling a disc game with some online checks. |
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| ▲ | wtetzner a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The side-effect most people didn't consider is that you never really own a digital copy. This is true for consoles, but on GoG for example you can download the DRM offline installer for the games you buy. So going purely digital doesn't have to be terrible on its own. But of course, for consoles it will be. |
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| ▲ | fennecfoxy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And also quality. I wouldn't think that the copy of some movie Netflix is streaming to me will be 60-100GB over the duration of the movie. Not to mention when their services have issues and you're watching 5-10 minutes of low quality content until it settles and snaps up to full (streaming) quality. |
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| ▲ | mghackerlady a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Most people really don't care, which is a shame. The sheer quality difference between a 4k digital movie and a 4k bluray is astounding. Hell, oftentimes a standard bluray looks better despite the lower resolution since it isn't being compressed | | |
| ▲ | rhinoceraptor a day ago | parent | next [-] | | A 4K movie uncompressed would be something like two or three terabytes depending on the format. I think Arri are the only cinema cameras that can even shoot uncompressed or losslessly compressed, the rest shoot lossy compressed video in their native raw formats. | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | I highly suspect they mean not compressed beyond bluray quality rather than literal uncompressed video which obviously is impossible to stream. |
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| ▲ | fishgoesblub a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > since it isn't being compressed Isn't being compressed as much. All Blurays are compressed either with MPEG2, VC1, H.264, or H.265 if it's an UHD Bluray. | | |
| ▲ | mghackerlady a day ago | parent [-] | | Huh, I always thought they were uncompressed. That's why people preferred it over hd-dvd | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo a day ago | parent [-] | | Uncompressed 24-bit 1080p running at 24 FPS requires 1.192 Gbit/s, or 0.149 GByte/s. So a 25 GB (single-layer) blu-ray has enough space for a whopping 167.8 seconds of uncompressed 1080p video running at 24 FPS. You can double that with a dual-layer blu-ray, and there are more corners you can cut, but I don't think you'll fit your movie in there. Video is really big. Compression was needed to make it even vaguely possible unless your quality was in the toilet. HD-DVDs were smaller, so they were more compressed. | | |
| ▲ | eska a day ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think that you guys should be debating compressed vs uncompressed, but lossy compression vs lossless compression. Your math seems to derive from a naive storage format. | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Blu-ray is lossy too. All video codecs of note that aren't for professionals are lossy, so the point mostly still stands. Lossless compression doesn't go very far when it comes to video. An uncompressed 24 bit 1080p image is just under 6 MB. If you save it as a compressed PNG, you cut that down to roughly 2.5 MB. Now, PNG compression isn't very efficient, and you can probably do some interframe magic if you really wanted to (cf lossless h264), but the whole exercise is mostly futile, since even if you cut your bitrate down to an eighth, you're still looking at, like, 20-ish minutes of runtime with 25 gigabytes. Meanwhile, blu-ray looks as good as it does at an average of 25-30 mbit/s (0.03 gbit/s) (while UHD blu-ray even more so, with a better codec, so even more detail is preserved). The compression used saves so much space the trade-off is obviously worth it unless you're a production company making an actual movie, where every detail counts. | | |
| ▲ | eska a day ago | parent [-] | | I just looked up the compression rate of FFV1 because I never thought about this. It’s apparently 4x. More would be possible, but increase computational requirements. Another use cases seems to be archival of historical footage. |
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| ▲ | mghackerlady a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ah, that's what it was. I'm still half asleep, I didn't drink enough caffeine this morning haha |
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| ▲ | nly a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Theres no technical reason one should look better than the other. Both should use multipass ahead of time compression with a rate control algorithm, and both should have enough slack streaming bandwidth to handle complex scenes with buffering | |
| ▲ | jeffbee a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even a well-mastered DVD can look better than online streaming. |
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| ▲ | antisthenes a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's kind of an annoying side effect of this is that you have all this fancy new display tech, like quantum dot LED (marketing term, but w/e), or OLED, but it's all pointless because you're just watching it with crappy compression, negating the quality gains. | | |
| ▲ | artisinal a day ago | parent [-] | | The football World Cup 2026 is being broadcast in 1080p with washed out colors. Yet every shop was advertising 4K OLED for the best experience of watching the matches. | | |
| ▲ | amlib a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It looks great on youtube at 4k, at least if you are somewhere where they are transmitting it through youtube. | |
| ▲ | moniosi a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i'm proud my country (italy) pionereed dct-based digital transmission during the 1990 world cup, i wish we lived in a present were europe was still ahead (or at least on par with) the rest of the world | |
| ▲ | vel0city a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Supposedly the master stream from FIFA is in HDR, so if the colors are washed out its probably a bad conversion with your TV provider or TV. I do agree its insane to me we're still not at 4K coverage for world major level sporting events. | | |
| ▲ | artisinal a day ago | parent [-] | | The TV channel broadcast was 50Hz, 1080p and used image compression. They did not broadcast the master stream directly. That would have cost too much money. It feels misleading to advertise a 4K OLED as the best viewing experience with such a poor source signal. | | |
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| ▲ | mittensc a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > And the most relevant part is that you cannot transfer/sell a digital copy. EU or any other gov can pass a law to allow that and we'll have the option. |
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| ▲ | Uvix a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Or they’ll just stop “selling” copies in those territories and only allow short-term rentals or monthly subscription services. | | |
| ▲ | mittensc 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They can try, they'll also lose out on money and have piracy to contend to. Governments can still force them to sell same as rest of the world or have them pack their bags and leave. | |
| ▲ | tialaramex a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | One of the EU's backstop "Fuck Trump" options is to stop enforcing America's IP rights. Maybe this USB stick full of MCU movies isn't the highest possible quality and two of the Thor movies are missing for some reason, however it cost less than €20, so who cares ? Oh it's illegal? Well my government said they don't give a shit about that until you get rid of the orange lunatic In a world where American media companies are also trying to fuck over consumers that sort of action could probably get a rotting corpse re-elected in a landslide, that's one of the reasons it's on the backstop threat list - dry policy responses don't connect with voters, but "make as many copies of their stuff as you like" is incredibly popular. | | |
| ▲ | account42 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And then the government will give everyone free beer and a unicorn and everyone will live happily ever after. | |
| ▲ | gunsle a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Imagine having TDS this bad in the year of our lord 2026, as a European no less. Lol. | | |
| ▲ | mittensc 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What's there to like about Trump? And how do those compare against all the negative things he's done/caused so far? | | |
| ▲ | account42 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is disliking Trump and then there is thinking that Trump is so bad that the EU would break international copyright agreements just to spite him. | | |
| ▲ | mittensc 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're saying that like it's not a possibility. What could push EU to do that? Arbitrary tarrifs? Invasion/threats of invasion? It wouldn't be out of spite, nothing ever is, it would be a response and it is a valid concern seeing as Trump has done the above Do you think otherwise? |
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| ▲ | zarathustreal 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agreed, actually. It’s so sad to see because you can guarantee this person doesn’t actually know Trump personally and likely has no real stake in anything he does. Completely nerfing your own ability to reason for what? Some presumedly virtuous signal? | | |
| ▲ | tavavex 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is hilarious. Should we stop criticizing all politicians because we don't know them personally? These are not just some guys, you know. These are the most powerful people in the world. You will be affected - everyone has a 'real stake' in what they do. Frankly, the amount of scrutiny and consequences of said scrutiny that powerful people receive are at all-time lows - there should be more. For Trump specifically, almost everyone is affected. Even if you're not an American, all the war-starting, economy-wrecking, relationship-souring, international-meddling 'work' of the US is affecting you. Unless maybe if you're from North Korea. There's nothing that better exemplifies the way how Trump supporters specifically and Americans in general have checked out from everyone else's reality than this comment. In the eyes of most of the Western world, the time for debate was 10 years ago. We're no longer in a land of hypotheticals and 'virtue signaling' that far-rightists smugly talked about back then. They are already ruling us - the world has already tasted the far-right's medicine, and many people are enraged as things keep becoming more bleak. Suggesting that countries stop enforcing US IP would be a ludicrous suggestion in 2016 that would be laughed out of the room as terminally online daydreaming. In 2026, this starts seeming like a real source of possible leverage, exerting power over a nation that thinks it can dictate the rules of the world in perpetuity. I suggest you update your worldview a bit before this or something equally extreme lands on some actual politician's desk. A few more years of this and there will no longer be any good will left from the rest of the world. | | |
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| ▲ | tokai a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | They did https://curia.europa.eu/site/upload/docs/application/pdf/201... |
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| ▲ | ncr100 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes. When you die, your digital assets may simply disappear. There's no inheritance practice, that I know of, of transferring digital assets. |
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| ▲ | kuu a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "The side-effect most people didn't consider is that you never really own a digital copy." I understand that this is the reality we live in, but I don't know how we have accepted it. |
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| ▲ | fzeroracer a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a weird trajectory to see because with the music industry people have started catching on and either support sites that offer more durable forms of ownership or have straight up reverted to physical ownership. |
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| ▲ | cryptoegorophy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I remember joke “you will own nothing and will be happy”, it is less of a joke now. |
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| ▲ | Telaneo a day ago | parent [-] | | It's from a 2016 essay. I'm not sure it was ever only a joke. I didn't even perceive it as a joke back then (unless you wanted to joke about companies being knobheads). It was already clear by then that that was the direction they wanted to go. Adobe Creative Cloud became the only option for new Adobe software in 2013, 3 years before that essay. Sure, Adobe is on the forefront of being knobheads, but still. |
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| ▲ | kjkjadksj a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Discs are way more convenient. You can store how many multi hundred gb games on your internal storage before you have to start triaging. Also, want to play a game you haven’t played in a while after work? Sorry, 3 hour forced update. In the old disc era you’d just pop in the disk and start playing in minutes. You could have as many disks as would fit in your house. Oh no, you have to stand up and walk 10ft to put it in. What a great inconvenience. |
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