> That is not how most engineers define bad code.

The engineers I have worked with most definitely define "bad code" as having intrinsic limitations and/or latent defects which impact successful system functionality/operation. Indicators provided to stakeholders such as yourself which support this assessment are, but not limited to:

  - the system doesn't work that way
  - the system lacks test coverage, so changes take longer
  - adding feature "X" is not feasible
  - there is no repeatable way to onboard team members
  - the backlog grows exponentially
  - that "one point task" is going to take a couple weeks

All of the above impacts a business.

It is up to you, the "technical product manager", to understand what your team is trying to tell you.

▲ Schiendelman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Please stop being rude to me. I'm a human being, I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer (you can google my name, I'm the only one), and the way you are behaving sucks.

Everything you're saying is true, sometimes. Assume I'm still right, and that you might be able to learn something from someone else.

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	▲	AdieuToLogic 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Please stop being rude to me. I do not see how I was being rude, unless it was my use of quotations around the title you claim. > I'm a human being ... I did not doubt this. > ... I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer ... Again, if it was my use of quotations which you found to be rude, then I do not know what to say about that. > ... and the way you are behaving sucks. I respect your perspective and support your right to express yourself. And no, I do not think you are being rude by doing so. > Assume I'm still right ... Why would I? You responded to: >> This is a site full of developers who are convinced that "proper software engineering" is 100% of what makes a business successful, and everything and everyone else is useless. With: > As a technical product manager, this 1000%. Finally, you write: > ... you might be able to learn something from someone else. Maybe you can learn something from someone else as well.