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| ▲ | lazide 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There isn’t an epidemic of any other gun crime, by the numbers. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683... > The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people — and about 340 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000. https://everytownresearch.org/graph/the-u-s-gun-homicide-rat... > The US gun homicide rate is 26 times that of other high-income countries. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26551975/ > US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher. For 15- to 24-year-olds, the gun homicide rate in the United States was 49.0 times higher. Firearm-related suicide rates were 8.0 times higher in the United States, but the overall suicide rates were average. Unintentional firearm deaths were 6.2 times higher in the United States. The overall firearm death rate in the United States from all causes was 10.0 times higher. Ninety percent of women, 91% of children aged 0 to 14 years, 92% of youth aged 15 to 24 years, and 82% of all people killed by firearms were from the United States. We have more firearm homicides per capita than other prosperous countries have total homicides via all methods. | | |
| ▲ | lazide a day ago | parent [-] | | We were talking specific models, yes? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | You said "any other gun crime", so no? How much do you think of this disparity is due to Gatling guns? | | |
| ▲ | lazide a day ago | parent [-] | | In reference to the ‘no epidemic of Gatling gun crime’ comment, yes. What other epidemic of a specific type of gun crime is there, exactly? (And no, entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count) | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | > entire categories like ‘hand gun’ don’t count How convenient for your argument! Why not? You aren't concerned that our murder rate is seven times that of other OECD nations, and 25x when limited to firearms? | | |
| ▲ | lazide a day ago | parent [-] | | Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I provided a concise term that actually has a concrete meaning. That is the thread we are in. Care to join? Or do you want to scream incoherently into the void more? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | > Because words have meaning, and ‘handgun’ can mean anything from a muzzle loading musket to a literal MAC-10 that can fire 1800 rounds per minute. Yes, that's what this thread's about. You argued Gatling guns being legal makes gun control overall silly; someone else noted that the theoetical regulatory gap exists because in practice no one uses Gatling guns in crimes. > And if you can’t understand or articulate what is going on, then good luck doing anything about it? I think 25x the gun homicide rate effectively articulates what's going on. Do you disagree? | | |
| ▲ | lazide a day ago | parent [-] | | And for any given thing that meets the criteria for ‘handgun’, what percentage do you think has ever been used in any significant number of crimes or accidents? I’m guessing way less than 1%. Either by make/model, or by individual items. Statistically, by item, it’s likely .001% territory. So again, care to make your screaming more coherent? Right now you seem to be doing the equivalent of screaming about ‘cars kill people’. When, okay, there are a lot of car accidents. Plenty of people murdering each other with cars too! But how does that add anything to the conversation? and I gave an example of a historically high power piece of military equipment that would still strike fear in anyone on the other side of it - that is also completely legal to own in even a high ‘ban’ state like California - and apparently also not ‘causing a lot of crime’. there are new manufacture ones out there. they are pretty cool! [https://tippmannordnance.com/gatling-guns/]. so what is the actual deal, eh? |
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