Except most Russians support their government and believe its lies...

trollbridge 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Of the Russians I know (some still in Russia), not a single one supports United Russia party, although that does mean we have to communicate rather… secretly? these days.

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netsharc an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I can say that about Americans. What proof do you have, or do you "just know it"?

https://nestcentre.org/what-russians-think-about-the-war-aga...

> For most ordinary Russians, the war is not a central concern. This may sound cynical, but it’s the truth.

> When they do think about it, they tend to view it much like the weather: something that one may or may not like, but which lies beyond individual control and to which one simply adapts.

I admire a friend of mine in London who every weekend went to anti-genocide rallies in London. But at the same time I can imagine it's excruciating work, yelling and protesting and not saving any single Palestinian child's life. Meanwhile in Russia, protesting will get you arrested and probably be sent to the frontline (as a man) or prison (as a woman). Given those choices, would you also not say "Well, I can be angry and depressed about the Ukranians (and my fellow countrymen forced to fight the war) being killed, or I can just go about my day and put this exhausting thought aside"...

Meanwhile in America, there's a political party using the Nazi playbook to subvert democracy and succeeding. Are you American? Are you doing everything to stop that, or do you see yourself powerless and so you go about your day and put that exhausting thought aside?

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JCattheATM an hour ago | parent [-]

> I can say that about Americans.

Eh, you'd be wrong. It's a different issue in the US, half the population believe and vote for nonsense, the other half are strongly against it.

> What proof do you have, or do you "just know it"?

Friends with Russians, and try to read useful sources like Meduza. It's absolutely very much the case that most of that population are brainwashed and believe the state propaganda.

> Meanwhile in Russia, protesting will get you arrested and probably be sent to the frontline (as a man) or prison (as a woman).

Yes, so an armed uprising is necessary if voting is not an option. But if there is no will, there will be no effort.

> Meanwhile in America, there's a political party using the Nazi playbook to subvert democracy and succeeding.

America will still have elections, and we won't have to deal with our Putin-wannabe again after their term is up.

	▲	netsharc an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> America will still have elections, and we won't have to deal with our Putin-wannabe again after their term is up. Heh.. Russia has "elections" too. So easy to point and jeer and say "they're bad, but over here the circumstances are different!"... As if armed uprisings are child's play, and those not rising against tyrants are cowards. I bet if you were in Russia, you'd also made excuses why you haven't joined the resistance and learned how to make bombs and kill FSB soldiers. Fact is "the will" only comes with backs against the wall, like when food runs out (Arab uprising) or it's no longer tolerable (Iran). And then what will the revolution bring? Who's in charge in Iran, Libya, Egypt? It's easy to be an armchair revolutionary calling people cowards and brainwashed from 10000 miles away.. Addendum: and if a Russian has sympathy for the Ukranians but is powerless to do anything, wouldn't it be attractive to start believing the lie that it's the Ukranians that are assholes, that they're also doing bad things (just look at the average Israeli's support of the genocide - "it's because they want to annihilate us!"); if you start believing that stuff, you can "forgive" yourself not doing anything against your tyrannical government.