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tripleee 9 hours ago

interesting how much worse the sentiment around Anthropic is getting

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mwigdahl 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Seems like a combination of multiple factors:

"They took my shit away!" -- 3-day Fable 5 addicts (me)

"How dare they tell Trump no?" -- US nationalist / "my country right or wrong" types

"Great to see a closed source company fail!" -- open source boosters

"Great to see an American company fail!" -- anti-US, and/or pro-China folks

"Great to see a successful company fail!" -- anti-capitalists and/or sour-grapes crab bucket types

"Serves you right for ripping off creators!" -- copyright warriors

"They keep silently nerfing the models!" -- secret downgrade conspiracy theorists

"Quit killing the planet!" -- anti-datacenter advocates

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thepasch 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm personally in the "they keep releasing shameless lobbying papers disguised as thinly veiled research or essay-coded content, push anticompetitive walled-garden practices, show little else but contempt for their non-enterprise customer base, refuse to communicate about anything and choose public silence as their baseline, seemingly force their employees into vows of public silence as well, actively degrade their products across the board with their vibeslop approach with measurable impacts on customers, openly attack not only open weights models but open source software, and all while pretending they're the 'public benefit corporation' formed by a valiant group of heroes escaping from a duplicitous snake and who, even in light of their own massively duplicitous behavior as of late, should apparently be trusted to be the some sort of arbiter over what this tech should get to be and how it should get to be used while they could hardly be more gleeful about how we're all going to be replaced in 6 months from now perpetually" camp.

Which is a bit of a bummer considering they do genuinely make the best model that's most pleasant to work with in my opinion.

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tripleee 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems to be more them losing goodwill combined with their marketing.

I don't agree with your framing that all negativity is from crazies

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mwigdahl 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think all the negativity is from crazies, but big chunks of it are certainly motivated. I certainly left out numerous other categories.

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feralcoder 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The amount of anti-Anthropic and anti-Dario posts i've seen on reddit threads has gotten a bit ridiculous.

It feels like your analysis is mostly spot on, it's the confluence of several motivated parties pouring effort into social media.

Many of the posters are pro-foreign models/pro-open source, and most can't distinguish the difference between "open source" and open weight models like Qwen, Minimax, or GLM.

Reminds me of the old "free as in beer" vs "free as in speech" debate. Free beer means you don't pay, but you don't get to see the recipe or change it. Free speech means you get the actual source and the right to study it, modify it, and redistribute it.

Open weight models are basically the beer version. You can download the weights, run them locally, fine-tune them, quantize them, host them on your own boxes — but what you have is a finished product, not the blueprint for how it was built.

	▲	tripleee 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Fable as released was censored to the point of being useless for many tasks. Now surprise surprise it's not even available unless you're pre-approved. Qwen is also censored - although since it's open weight, there are completely uncensored versions available. The owners of Qwen can't jack up the prices to something I'm unable to pay. They can't take it away. The owners of Qwen can't log and train on my data. Open weight models share far more in common with free speech than free beer. If big daddy Dario and his company are getting pushback it's not being of some motivated group trying to take them down. They brought it on themselves.

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0xbadcafebee 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"OpenAI models are better, cheaper, and more reliable" - rational people

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noumenon1111 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most of these are good points though with the right framing.