| ▲ | basisword 2 hours ago |
| Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. Edit: Downvoted because HN users don't understand living paycheque to paycheque. Talk about an echo chamber. |
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| ▲ | graton 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. I just watched a video where a person bought a £200 portable unit. He was using it in the UK and said he spent about £0.89 / day. And I'm assuming they won't use it for that many days a year. Seems affordable enough for "most ordinary working people" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOmzVWTH3xo |
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| ▲ | scrlk 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | As a side note, it's nearly impossible to buy a dual-hose portable AC in the UK and Europe. For whatever reason, the market has converged on inefficient single-hose portable ACs. |
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| ▲ | black3r 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not that expensive. There are other reasons why people can't install one in Europe than money. Mostly for people living in apartments. In an apartment building you need the approval of other apartment owners to "modify the building facade". And some people have terrible neighbors. Another thing that happens in Europe is that if the building is 100+ years old, it's facade may be protected as a "historic building" and then you need another approval from some bureaucrats which are responsible for protecting historic buildings. And of course if you're renting, you need to convince your landlord if you want a proper AC not a portable one. |
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| ▲ | hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People on here will literally write walls of text over the most mundane nonsense. Get a free standing unit like this: https://i.imgur.com/giewYeK.png Shove the plastic tube outlet out of a window. End of installation. You're welcome. Seriously why is this so difficult and what is this learned helplessness? You would rather be miserable than do literally anything? | | |
| ▲ | black3r an hour ago | parent [-] | | I have one like that and so do my parents. But they're much less effective than classic split AC with an outside unit. A regular split can cool a bigger room to 24 even when it's 38 outside and is basically completely quiet. A portable AC cools down smaller rooms to ~27 when it's 38 outside and is noisy (50-60 dB). | | |
| ▲ | hparadiz 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's cause you got the cheapest one and think all of them are like that. They come in different power levels and you can in fact find ones that are quiet. |
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| ▲ | Markoff 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you don't need that on balcony, most of the apartments have balcony, stupid excuse, same applies for historical buildings with balcony If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If there is a balcony and you install it there, so nobody can see it from the street, is there an AC installed? Can you even use your balcony the way you want and place there big cardboard box if you need? Same thing. Facade is a one thing, balcony is something completely different, if you can't even use it, what's the point in having it. |
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| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A 12K BTU mini-split system is about 300EUR. How is this unaffordable for most people? Even an 18K unit is about 500-600EUR. |
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| ▲ | boesboes 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Where? The only mobile split unit i can find is 899 | |
| ▲ | antonkochubey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Realistically a decent mini-split that won't break in a year and won't make too much noise starts at ~€600-800 + €400 installation in a low-labor-cost country (Latvia), in high-labor-cost countries such as Germany the installation bit might be twice-thrice as expensive. | | |
| ▲ | alistairSH 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Relative to buying the house/apartment in the first place, that's still not much money. |
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| ▲ | wnevets 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Something is very wrong with the EU if ordinary Europeans can't afford a $150 window unit. |
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| ▲ | rapsey 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not the money. In many places you need to go through permitting to get it and they do not want to give it to you. Often you also need a signed approval from every person in the building. | | |
| ▲ | wnevets 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is something very wrong in the EU if installing a life saving window air conditioner requires a permit or signed approval from every person in the building. | | |
| ▲ | rapsey 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They literally built a new hospital in germany without AC. 28C/82F degrees in surgery. |
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| ▲ | mtoner23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | so yes something is very wrong | |
| ▲ | mytailorisrich 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is true. In many places you can't install the outdoor unit on the street-facing side of the building without approval, and you won't get it in most cases, and this is indeed in addition to getting approval from your building's residents association if you live in a flat. |
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| ▲ | Oras 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most people can’t afford private jets, let’s ban them for those officials then |
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| ▲ | Markoff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| funny take Bulgaria is one of the poorest EU countries and I have seen there way more ACs than in much richer Czechia or elsewhere, this is not about price at all heck, even in Czechia I find much more ACs in some poor cities compared to the richest Prague, I've seen bigger AC ratio per apartment in my small poor ~40K hometown than in Prague, in our 40 units building in Prague I was the first one to have AC, after many years now followed by neighbor under me, 2 out of 40 units in relatively rich Prague, crazy (though it's true our top corner of the building is warmest from all apartments) |
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| ▲ | christkv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What are you on about. They are not expensive at all. What they can't afford is to pay the electrical bill of running one. |
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| ▲ | antonkochubey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My multisplit system costs <€60 a month to run even during the hottest months, which is way below heating costs during winter. And that's keeping entire apartment at constant 22ºC - people with higher "comfort temperature" can keep the bill significantly lower. | |
| ▲ | caycep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | unless they also come w/ rooftop solar? new mini splits are way more efficient than older systems as well. insulation in older homes/buildings might be an issue though | |
| ▲ | cineticdaffodil 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ironically- while often having solar on the roof. | |
| ▲ | basisword an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I got a 7000BTU one last week. One of cheapest I could find (I suspect some price gouging given the timing of my purchase). Very small, works in one small room. It was about £400. None of my family or friends have £400 sitting around that they can spend on a whim to save them a few weeks of suffering. A huge number of people live paycheque to paycheque and have no savings or credit lines available to them. |
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