Out of curiosity, what is your expected baseline of what the average person and family in the US should be able to afford?

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gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"should" is a pretty woolly concept. "should" we have to work at all? UBI proponents don't think so, and that apparently that has 45% support. What's hopefully obvious is that not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage is a far cry from "abject poverty".

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/19/more-amer...

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Folcon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean fair, but not relevant?

I'm asking you the question because a statement like 50% of [population] is making a claim to some notion of what they expect society to look like

you introduced the benchmark "not being able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment at median wage", though I would expect a modern day society that makes any claim to be wealthy to be able to have above 50% of it's population to be able to support something like that as that would indicate they can support a small family

You're saying that's not a good benchmark, so I'm trying to understand:

1) Do you have a different benchmark?

2) Is your key complaint that being unable to own a 2 bedroom house doesn't mean that individual or family is in "abject poverty"? In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you?

It seems like you're saying 2, but I want to be sure

	▲	gruez 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>In which case fair, though I would ask what does mean abject poverty for you? The exact number is heavily contested[1], so I know better than to provide my own. That said, the official poverty lines are a pretty good place to start, and it's pretty safe to say is that whatever the line for "abject poverty" actually is, "2 bedroom apartment on 1 person income" is pretty far away from that. That claim doesn't require me to provide a specific poverty line. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#M...