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| ▲ | mrhottakes 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| "You can't criticize lobbying unless you can name all the more active lobbyists" is a very strange concept. Have you thought this one all the way through? |
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| ▲ | khriss 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The question worth asking is why are people obsessed with demonizing the AIPAC in particular and singling it out as the one or primary 'evil lobbying group' Is your assertion that no one is allowed to criticize AIPAC unless they can 'prove' to you that others who spend more than them are not somehow worse? |
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| ▲ | sequoia 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I'm saying people obsessed with AIPAC to the exclusion of all other lobbying groups are not motivated primarily by an objection to lobbying. I'm also saying the narrative that "AIPAC controls the gov't via lobbying" which many people believe is incoherent because Coinbase must control the gov't even more by this thinking. If you think people aren't obsessed with AIPAC you are not following US politics. | | |
| ▲ | khriss 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > If you think people aren't obsessed with AIPAC you are not following US politics. I think a simpler explanation might be just that there is a lot of attention being paid to why the US seems beholden to Israel to the extent that it would be willing to risk it's relationship with other allies that provide far more in return. Exhibit A is the Iran war where the US essentially abandoned it's middle east and far east allies (to the extent to moving interceptors from Korea and Japan) to defend Israel. Other regional allies were largely left to fend for themselves. Seeing all this, people are legitimately asking, what exactly does the US get in return for the enormous support, both direct and indirect that it provides to Israel. Given it's role, naturally AIPAC is going to be central to these conversations. |
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| ▲ | kjs3 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The butwhatabout-ism is strong with this one... |
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| ▲ | mthoms 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How many of those other groups have openly lobbied for war? I have no doubt there are a few others TBH. The oil industry comes to mind. The point being, it's not just the amount of money at play. That's only part of it. But you know that. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe people focus on AIPAC because they have a problem with any or all of the other bullet points I mentioned that AIPAC supports and enables and that your whole long message never addressed? |
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| ▲ | Hikikomori 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So they're getting their moneys worth. |
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| ▲ | sequoia 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is a great example of the prejudice (pre-judging) at play when it comes to Israel. One starts with the conclusion ("Israel/Jews are evil and controlling the government with money") then works backwards to build an argument. "They are spending so much, that's why they control the government!" They (American citizens funding AIPAC) actually spending much less than many other lobbying groups. "Aha- they're so conniving they can control the government even without being in the top 10 lobbies!" There's no winning against this "logic" because the conclusion has been decided ahead of time & any evidence is interpreted as supporting that conclusion, no matter which way it goes. | | |
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| ▲ | pphysch 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| AIPAC is just the most well-known and representative entity in a large constellation of a hostile foreign lobby that has somehow avoided accountability under FARA. Qatar didn't spend 9 figures getting Trump elected, but an Israeli gambling magnate did. |
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| ▲ | sequoia 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | AIPAC is not foreign, this is another misconception/lie. AIPAC is an American lobby funded by Americans. | | |
| ▲ | pphysch 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Everybody knows which country AIPAC is loyal to, and it's not the USA. The bad faith arguments undermine your hasbara. |
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