The lawsuits, sadly, won't matter. "Security" (or, rather, totalitarian control!) is more important than the 1% of nerds who care enough to tinker with their phone.

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Zak 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People keep framing these sorts of debates in terms of tinkering.

It's about ownership, not tinkering. It's about preventing megacorporations from having the last word about how government services can function and how people can interact with them.

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esrauch 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.

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etiennebausson 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe

1/3 of the population functionally illiterate in Europe seems beyond wild to me.

Are you talking about technical illiteracy? security illiteracy?

Or do you mean they can't read english, which is a very different thing.

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w3ll_w3ll_w3ll 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Functionally illiterate means that they can read in their own language, but they cannot understand the meaning, a part from very simple things.

	▲	sebastianconcpt 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And we're heading to giving better quality feedback loops to AI models than people. Put this together with ignorance being the mother of evil and... How good this can become?

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Luker88 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"functionally illiterate" means that while you can read your native language, you will not correctly understand what you have just read.

Rates seem to vary state by state, from as low as 8% (denmark) to 43% (romania).

It's also not a clearly defined target, since it would be better to have rates based on the reading comprehension of the average school at year X or something similar.

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ralferoo 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm curious about this definition, just because it's not something I've ever considered before and googling seems to muddy the water even more.

Is it "functionally illiterate" if you can read the language aloud and not understand it, if you also wouldn't have understood the same thing spoken to you? That seems like it's about comprehension ability, not literacy.

Although one thing that just occurred to me is that if your reading level is low, you might be using all your cognition on reading so that you don't have spare capacity to understand as well - that's frequently the case for me with e.g. Chinese where I can read an entire passage out and then the teacher asks what the passage was about and I'm just thinking "I dunno, I wasn't thinking about that but I think I understood everything".

And that's definitely a different problem to being able to sound out the words, but just having no idea what those words mean, whether you read them or heard them.

And does it have to be your native language, or in any language? Not trying to nitpick, it just feels like the phrase can be usefully applied to a foreign language too.

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gcr 5 hours ago | parent [-]

posters upthread are talking about comprehension and value systems, not literacy.

"functionally illiterate" is the brush that one paints with when describing people of opposing political viewpoint or lower socioeconomic status, for example.

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jazzyjackson 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I must be illiterate because this doesn’t make any sense to me

Being kinda dumb and graduating school without reading a book is not a socioeconomic status

	▲	chadgpt3 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The point: you call them "functionally illiterate" when you don't like them. Otherwise, you call them something else.

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marcta 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

50% of the population are below average intelligence.

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iso1631 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dunno what the OP meant, but in the UK

https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/16247/Public-Health...

> Guidance tells us the average reading age in the North East is lower than the national average at between 9 to 11 years. To put that into context The Guardian Newspaper has a reading age of 14 and the Sun Newspaper has a reading age of 8.

Health literacy specifically is a major problem in healthcare

https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-lite...

> 1 in 4 (26.7% / 931,000 people) adults in Scotland experience challenges due to their lack of literacy skills.

I find that page somewhat ironic as they claim 18% is one in six, but 17.4% is one in five. Seems numeracy is as big a challenge.

The US is no better according to wikipedia

> In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above

> Adults scoring below Level 1 can comprehend simple sentences and short paragraphs with minimal structure but will struggle with multi-step instructions or complex sentences

> Adults scoring at Level 3 or above are considered "proficient at working with information and ideas in texts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

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stingraycharles 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe? Just how is that defined?

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oblio 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why are you surprised? Europe has 700 million people. Think of the average construction worker you know, do you think they could read and correctly summarize any moderately complex article? Think an article about inflation or evolution or heat pumps or investment funds, etc.

Fairly sure that in most countries the average person reads less than 1 book per year, so half of the population reads less than that. I know people who haven't read a book since highschool, when they were forced to.

	▲	wqaatwt 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-b... The Average Briton allegedly reads 15 books per year. I assume its self reported and poorly sampled. Otherwise its very hard to believe (and variance between countries seems way too high) but stats like this (especially more subjective ones like functional literacy) are usually not very useful on their own.

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ulfw 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Especially as it's claimed to be only 50 Million in the US hahahahahaha

Whoever believes those statistics I have a strait to sell to

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microtonal 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

First, GrapheneOS supports remote attestation. So if they want their security, they can have it. Second, the current focus of the EU on sovereignty is a window of opportunity and there are better opportunities to fight this than two years ago.

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ivolimmen 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it does if enough people try this. I will.