This just seems like a backwards justification. There is nothing wrong with a 9am sunrise or a 4:11am sunrise. People in Anchorage deal with both just fine.

> I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am

Most people aren’t awake at 5am either. Your use for the sun when there is an excess of it that goes well past your bedtime if you get up at 5am is irrelevant.

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tristanj a day ago | parent | next [-]

My work starts at 9am, therefore I wake up around 7am. My work start time does not adjust based on the seasons. Any sun before 7am is wasted for me.

Under DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 5am, giving me 2 hours of wasted sunlight.

Without DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 4am, giving me 3 hours of wasted sunlight.

I enjoy having additional hours of sunlight when I am awake, so for me I actually prefer having DST vs without it.

Similarly, in the wintertime, under permanent DST, sunrise is around 9am, and I don't want to drive to work in the dark.

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zokier a day ago | parent | next [-]

You can still wake up earlier and enjoy your sunrise even if your working hours are fixed.

	▲	tristanj a day ago \| parent [-]
		Are you seriously suggesting I wake naturally at sunrise (4 AM), then start work 5 hours(!) later? I can't change my work start time. That's an unproductive use of my time.

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pibaker 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everything you said is me, me, me.

In the meanwhile I know enough people who wake up super early to walk their dogs, or to work out, or you know, to go to their work which opens at 6:30. Do they not count?

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kortilla a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Get out of bed earlier then and go to bed earlier. You’re inventing a fake problem.

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hnfong a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I still don't understand why you don't just wake up earlier.

It's not like without DST you have to work so late that you don't have enough hours for sleep, right?

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suddenlybananas a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4am sunrise seems ludicrously early to me, but then again, even a 5am sunrise is awfully early.

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reedf1 a day ago | parent [-]

Ever lived at high latitude? It's normal.

	▲	suddenlybananas a day ago \| parent [-]
		I live at a higher latitude than Seattle and the earliest sunrise is 5:45 or so.

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toxik a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I can see the DST argument for people where the shift kinda sorta works out, but many places (like Anchorage!) it's completely unnecessary. I live in Sweden and it's just the twice annually "ah shit the clock moved overnight."