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proee an hour ago

We have a bright future full of endless "space-junk". As the price to orbit drops, people will inevitably send up more and more satellites that have questionable value. In 100 years will the sky at night just be a massive grid of dots moving across the sky?

Who will create the first advertisement in space using satellites as pixels to create their company logo? Maybe they can add some color and animations for kicks.

Edit: Another note on space junk is the effect on our atmosphere with all the "burning-up" of various materials. Apparently they don't just completely vaporize, but instead leave behind micro particles that float around for a long time. People are studying this and hopefully raising appropriate alarms (Making the case for wood satellites).

Centigonal an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Hank Green did a video recently advocating for an "orbit value tax" -- like a Georgist Land Value Tax, but for orbits. This tax would, among other things, help fund orbital cleanup and internalize the externality of polluting orbital shells. It's an idea that deserves more discourse IMO.

Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLjW6zuYmos

nba456_ 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

And who does the tax get paid to? Some mythical Global Government that will totally work this time?

steveBK123 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My new startup, SPECTRE.

It's a new SaaS play - Satellites As A Service. That is, your satellite gets to stay in orbit as long as you pay me.

Otherwise my satellite killer eats them.

LunaSea 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any company removing space debris from orbit. Like a carbon capture price to offset your launch.

nba456_ 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What you're describing is a global government, otherwise that can't be enforced.

jqbd 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

US can enforce US satellites, no?

swiftcoder a few seconds ago | parent [-]

Provided they are launched in the US, on a US-owned carrier? Most likely

Can't necessarily stop a multinational firing things to space on Russian/Chinese/ESA launch vehicles

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mukbangpervert 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The video discusses this directly.

nradov 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think Russia will be willing to pay a tax on their new Rassvet constellation?

m4rtink 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In practice the lower cost of access to space had made it viable to star requiring people to at least deorbit their upper stages, something that was long a no-go, with the excuse being that the extra fuel and redundancy would eat too much into the payload mass.

Nowadays it is generally frowned upon if you leave upper stages in orbit or if your satellite fragment spontaneously. There are of course exceptions (like some chinese launches leaving massive core stages in orbit that ten randomly fall back a couple months later) but AFAIK the situations seems to be actually improving due to the added robustness, that was only made possible by cheaper access to space.

s0rce an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a legitimate concern with space junk hitting useful stuff or even manned spacecraft but I think space is big and the sky won't appear bright soon. Not all satellites are that reflective and they need to reflect the sun, they don't just glow visibly.

TheJoeMan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

At present, I don't believe there are industry standards / codes mandating minimization of reflectivity. My understanding is that SpaceX has engineered for this from their own internal requirements and "goodness of their hearts" (which may be related to avoidance of public pushback). As we anticipate a major scale-up of LEO in the future, it follows that "cost pressures" may (mal)incentivize players to skip this concern.

ralfd 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

> "goodness of their hearts" (which may be related to avoidance of public pushback)

I hate this cynicism in everything. People didnt work there 10 years ago to be millionaires in a far away IPO, they worked there because they are Team Space.

swiftcoder 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nonetheless, the company didn't start the whole non-reflective paint thing until well after the complaints started streaming in, significantly less than 10 years ago (DarkSat launched in 2020)

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stuxnet79 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On the positive side, clearing out all this space junk could end up being a meaningful contributor to global GDP. See also Planetes [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetes

wuliwong 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Thanks for reminding me, I started watching this and forgot about it!

Lendal 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's already a massive grid of moving dots. You can see it from the ground in certain dark-enough areas, but in order to see it in space you have to get outside LEO, like Artemis did. They don't have lights but they are shiny and they catch the sun, making them easily visible from certain angles, which the Artemis photos illustrated.

tonic_note 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Satellite broadband stonks in shambles after the inevitable Kessler syndrome

nba456_ 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh great the NIMBYs are coming for space now.

Matumio 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a grid of dots, a ring! https://earthsky.org/human-world/kessler-syndrome-colliding-...

It's a tragedy of the commons situation. And given how well we are able to regulate those kind of situations globally, I'm rooting for the ring.

taneq 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s already starting to be like that. If you get far enough out into the bush away from light pollution and watch the stars for a bit, you can see the grid of satellites orbiting. It’s kind of cool but also kind of depressing.

bell-cot 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

"Unobstructed view of the stars" will soon be how space tourism companies upsell their customers to higher orbits.