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VladVladikoff 3 hours ago

The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

bko 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think the flood is also due to people in general finding AI generated music passable.

I may be in the minority but I like AI generated music. Do you ever really like a song in the current moment and want one almost exactly like that? Mostly for background music. I like to listen to synthwave while working and since I may listen for 10-20h a week, I hear the same songs over and over. Maybe I should be more selective or curate my playlist, but it's just work. I would love a stream of AI generated music in a particular style I can work to.

atrus 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You see that a lot in AI (and honestly, other discussions) where people with differing requirements are talking past each other.

Some people are listening to music as an experience, internalizing lyrics, empathizing with the feeling and vibes of the artist. Others are just wanting something pop-y as background noise while they do work. They come together and since they're arguing for different needs, the whole thing turns into a mess.

tedajax 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

gross

bunderbunder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And the flood really is overwhelming. This weekend my mom was complaining about having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle Unlimited. I mentioned that the relative lack of slop is one of the major reasons I chose Kobo over Kindle. Even before this latest AI boom I was already starting to view less content as a feature, not a bug, because it seems that on subscription services “more” is increasingly just a polite way of saying “more crap.”

Similar feelings about Nebula vs YouTube, although Nebula straight up doesn’t have entire genres, or videos in languages other than English, so it doesn’t really work as a general recommendation.

AlecSchueler 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I really wanted to like Kobo but the no refunds policy really burned me. I bought a book listed as being in English, with an English title and English on the cover page, but the contents were entirely in French and they wouldn't refund it because of the general no refund policy. I just felt ripped off because what I bought, as advertised, just wasn't what I received.

giglamesh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't follow this rule strictly, but for most of my adult life I've limited most of my book reading to books > 10 years old. If it still seems remotely relevant and worth reading ten years later, it is far less likely to be a waste of my time. Now sure I'm a bit less prepared for water cooler conversations, but overall the policy has served me well.

> having trouble finding anything actually good to read on Kindle

because of AI slop is new benefit of sticking to older texts that I hadn't anticipated.

TFNA an hour ago | parent [-]

A significant amount of ebook reading now is romance/erotica or fantasy (or combined "romantasy") genres by readers for whom something a decade old won't appeal. An old book could seem socially "problematic" from a 2026 lens (especially for young people for whom that is before their time), or it isn't what one's peers are reading and one wants to connect with a community of other readers online or in school/university, etc.

Obviously if one doesn't read these genres, this is a whole foreign world, but it is increasingly the state of mainstream fiction reading, and AI slop is a problem for them that you may be asked to help avoid if you are the nerdy loved one of such a reader.

obloid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've encountered AI copies of songs from popular artists, hopefully this will stop or at least slow that down. I suspect the only reason those songs are uploaded is because people will accidentally listen to it and then the up loader gets the streaming revenue.

Cthulhu_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But that's not a new issue per se, low effort "covers" / "remixes" of songs has been an issue for a long time. Bonus point if said low-effort remix includes the original artist in the artist fields, so it shows up in the recommendations of fans of the original artist for a lot of accidental listens.

But AI does seem to make it easier.

runarberg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

When low effort goes to no effort one can expect the problem to worsen by several orders of magnitude.

Also not that it takes skill to come up with a remix/cover/homage of a song that is close enough to the original that people can enjoy it like the original, but not so close that you are just plagiarizing it. So this problem before AI is limited to talented musicians who for some reason would rather copy somebody else then to make their own music.

dawnerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s really bad on smaller artists that had moderate vitality on TikTok. Or at least it’s easier to spot since they have smaller catalogs. Encountered some on Apple Music the other day that outright had the artist listed and according to Apple it was from the artist.

IMO they need to focus on the scam side more than the AI side.

paxys 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So why not just disallow it entirely, if that’s the goal?

lubujackson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, but how will Tidal consistently determine AI generated music? This is new frontier of spam.

So begins the Clone Wars...

addaon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> how will Tidal consistently determine AI generated music?

Is this their responsibility? Just restrict payment to the registered copyright holder or their delegate, require registration of copyright for music to be payment-eligible, and escalate the problem to a federal crime with (presumedly) federal enforcement, no? Sure, some people will commit federal crimes to get a payout, but it's gotta reduce the problem massively.

rvnx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real reason is not that people can make money off it, it's that actual people are listening to it.

Let them do, if they like to listen, whom are you to say their tastes are bad ?

> 97% of people can’t tell the difference between fully AI-generated and human made music

https://newsroom-deezer.com/2025/11/deezer-ipsos-survey-ai-m...

sarjann 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think this is also a reason why X has gotten worse. They pay people for engagement.

Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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jdiff 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Mechahitler sure isn't helping.

TightFibre 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

@slop put Twitter in SS bikini.

dcrazy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I haven’t been on Twitter since before Elon took over. Do most users ever interact with Grok?

jdiff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It waxes and it wanes, but people breathlessly asking Grok "IS THIS TRUE??" is prevalent. People often call on Grok to argue their points for them. The interaction is inflicted.

freakynit 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Meme context: https://x.com/BrunoCendon/status/1926883516890898637

Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Then they get upset when grok doesn’t agree with Trump/musk and call a computer “woke”

simonw an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You incentivize ragebait.

Twitter pay you for how much "engagement" your tweets get now. If you post something that angers people you will get a ton of replies, quote-tweets etc.

There are a whole lot of grifters on that platform making thousands of dollars a month winding people up.

nkozyra 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Provide financial incentives to make it worse.

hack1312 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By turning it into a monetized /b/

virgildotcodes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure if you actually haven't checked it since, but will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Accounts pushing white supremacy, the reversion of women's rights, hatred towards other on the basis of their race or religion, climate change denial, denial of science and promotion of pseudoscience, etc etc. are heavily promoted across the platform and get millions of engagements.

If you create a new account, the majority of the accounts you are shown and suggested to follow will be those pushing the above.

They've switched to a model of paying their users for engagement, which naturally encourages users to post the most engagement bait they can, which tends to be inflammatory and utterly lacking in depth or nuance.

Lerc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As a counterpoint to that, I encountered a conversation where people were lamenting the toxic nature of communication and someone described being told to kill themselves for expressing what they felt was a compassionate statement.

Someone asked where that happened and they said "On X" and the response was "Holy shit, That's the kind of thing you expect to see on Bluesky, not X"

The thing is, The comments were terrible, and the average user of either platform would probably wholeheartedly agree that they were terrible.

If you exist in your own little community on these platforms then you don't see those bits. Those hideous extreme elements are there though. I don't know how representative they are of their respective populations, or even how much of it is automated stirring. I'm not sure anyone does. it seems quite difficult to find an analysis that is not pushing an agenda. The nature of agenda driven research over truth driven research makes it much easier to find the agenda driven stuff, because it's only reason to exist is to be found. The hard working people who try and find the nuance are too busy doing that to run a PR operation for their work.

There's a dark irony that with the decline of platforms like Twitter and Reddit descending into places of astroturf and brigading, there are fewer places to find conversations where informed people are discussing things publicly. A person searching for what an informed individual would say on the matter cannot find it. There's not really even any bots pretending to be those informed individuals. The bot game is more basic. Throw so much obviously fake crap around that nobody trusts anything.

tzs 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is older than the public internet. My parents got a CB radio circa 1967 and I watched my Mom make the first transmission on the new radio. She promptly received a reply, which told her to take a long walk on a short pier.

graemep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So much the same as Facebook?

hiyfsch an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Honestly same as most socials.

Unless people control their own algorithm, forget about it.

Imagine buying a cooking magazine and it was full of political ads. Who wants that shit?

jdiff 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Facebook has their own sins crawling on their backs, yes.

andai 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting. Kinda sounds like they should be paying for lack of engagement.

MengerSponge 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

CSAM?

stronglikedan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> X has gotten worse

It's actually gotten better for those of us that value all sides of a given story so we can come to our own conclusions, instead of parroting stuff we hear in bubbles. I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself.

13hunteo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

X pays you for engagement if you have the premium subscription. Anyone with a verification symbol will be earning money from significant engagement, hence the rise of engagement bait on the platform.

Cthulhu_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you know / ensure you're getting all sides of the story? For one, many people have left the platform already because of its owner and policies, so you're not hearing those sides anymore.

> I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself.

Anecdotal; people get paid / pay to post and promote certain content. But that's nothing new on social media.

That said, escaping or avoiding bubbles is good, just be sure you're actually out.

fg137 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They don't.

What they actually mean by "all sides" is "my side" (that is not typically allowed/supported on other platforms, for reasons they don't want to go into)

plagiarist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As soon as they find the side of the story they already agree with they know that the platform is a marketplace of ideas instead of a bubble.

selectodude 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You get both the white nationalist and the antisemite sides, yes.

vlian2088 2 hours ago | parent [-]

as opposed to ye olde twitter where only wholesome racism was allowed

https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboar...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboar...

https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboar...

selectodude 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have this magical ability to think lots of people can suck simultaneously. I’m also able to separate the power and ability to inflict damage of a bunch of shitheads on twitter from the White House and the first ever trillionaire.

vlian2088 an hour ago | parent [-]

don't you think it's fair that all people who suck can express their views now?

andai 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well they defined racism as "you can only be racist if you have power" and they defined having power as being white, so this is totally kosher.

virgildotcodes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you think it will be a net social benefit for people to be taught 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 with equal weight, and let them come to their own conclusions?

How about if the person who owns the educational institution puts their thumb on the 2 + 2 = 5 side of the balance for their own ends?

mcintyre1994 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Assuming you already pay for 'verification' on X, you just need to get more followers/impressions and then you'll start being paid based on your impressions. If you know/follow anyone with the 'verified' checkmark who has a lot of followers, they'll be getting paid for impressions.

palmotea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's actually gotten better for those of us that value all sides of a given story so we can come to our own conclusions, instead of parroting stuff we hear in bubbles.

1. A different bubble is still a bubble.

2. Regardless of political leanings, paying for engagement is a really bad sign.

> I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself.

So? You don't have to know anyone being paid for it to be happening. The people who are really motivated by that are often poor by western standards and living on the other side of the world from you.

Facebook also pays for engagement, and what that's lead to is stuff like AI-generated shrimp Jesus and fake "I made this" memes, created by guys in India that don't even know English and don't own a computer. They throw crap at the wall from their cell phones to see what sticks, then do more of that.

IIRC the same thing happens for politics. Just the other day I read that a lot of popular "Alberta separatist" accounts are run by people who don't even live in Canada. They just use AI and shamelessly copy posts made by other accounts.

jdiff 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Paid to engage is a reference to the creator revenue sharing that encourages mass-appeal and ragebait content.

X is not a meritocracy of ideas, either.