Also, for anyone who ever tried to quit coffee, probably knows this— the period of feeling down, useless, slow, and tired after you quit is brutal for about 1-2 weeks and can last months for long-time coffee drinkers. No wonder people feel great after having coffee again.

And decaf is not caffeine-free. Decaf coffee still contains about 5-10% of the original caffeine content compared to the same beans but not decaffeinated.

And then there’s the tiny sample size :( and no control group. This is worse than useless. This is the kind of waste that news stations will pick and advertise.

▲

TwoFerMaggie 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've quit from daily 3-4 shots of espresso to only drinking it when I feel like it, which is about once every two weeks.

The process was mostly without discomfort: I bought decaf beans and started cutting my coffee grounds with 50% decaf. After two weeks, 75% decaf. Then 87.5%, etc. About two months later I stopped experiencing withdrawals if I don't drink any coffee at all.

Before I started cutting I would get massive headaches and become irritable if I don't drink coffee in the morning. Now I'm free!

I encourage all heavy coffee drinkers try drinking less. At some point, it stops improving your cognitive functions but instead just maintains a mediocre baseline, which I suppose is the same as almost all substance reliance.

> In fact, none of the sleep researchers or experts on circadian rhythms I interviewed for this story use caffeine.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/jul/06/caffeine-coffee...

▲

shinycode 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I noticed from reading threads online that I can drink 8 espressos a day and stop having espresso for several days or weeks. I make my own from ground beans of 18g. It does nothing to me, I never felt a stimulation and only taste guides my need. If I don’t like the taste even offered in restaurant I will refuse to drink it. I don’t know why I’m like that but I never understood the discomfort phases and the stimulation ones either. Idk if I’m missing something

▲

dofm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you have ADHD (or think you might have?)

If so the difference when you are not drinking coffee might be more disorganisation/inattentiveness/impulsivity etc. rather than being less stimulated.

I have learned that I can have four Aeropress brews per day (about 12.5g coffee per cup) and it makes me calmer, more focussed and more able to be organised. I would notice discomfort and jitters at maybe six in a day. But I can fall asleep an hour after drinking one; it has little effect on my sleep and it may even make it a little easier for me to initially fall asleep.

And then I can have nothing the next day and be fine; I only notice withdrawal on day three maybe.

The reason is, it seems, I have otherwise very unmanaged "inattentive" ADHD. (Which is a stupid name for it; I don't have the slightest problem paying attention to things that capture my interest)

	▲	shinycode 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Actually I never felt the need to be diagnosed with ADHD. So I just looked up online and at first-read I don’t think I have something particularly different that could classify me but I might be wrong. Pushing it I also read that there is genetic part to cafein sensitivity but my parents don’t drink coffee at all so I guess I’ll never know. It’s not really a problem though, I can drink double espresso and take a nap or go to sleep which is nice. I can enjoy very good specialty coffee without trouble

▲

bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am not a doctor or psychologist or anything so please take everything below with a grain of salt

I was like you in my 20s, I could drink a lot of caffeine without any effects at all. I was diagnosed with ADHD around 28. At the time my doctor told me that my high caffeine intake was maybe an unconscious way of trying to wrangle with my ADHD, because the treatment for that is stimulants.

Once I started my meds, even a low dose, I basically didn't want coffee anymore. It made a huge difference in my life

Not trying to diagnose you with anything, I just always like to tell heavy coffee drinkers my story in case it might help them if they're feeling like something is off

▲

dofm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I just volunteered the same suggestion. I am undiagnosed "inattentive" (but it's as obvious as hell, in retrospect) and I clearly self-medicate with caffeine; I used to have an awful coca-cola problem and now in my fifties I like to take a bit of care over my coffee.

▲

bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep, inattentive here too

It goes undiagnosed because we aren't hyperactive problem kids in classrooms, and if we're lucky enough to be interested in the subjects we can excel in school

If you're anything like me you've been called lazy a lot in your life when really you're just too bored by stuff to engage with it?

	▲	shinycode 2 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Actually I’ve been inattentive as a kid and when I like something time stops I can have really deep focus. But I’ve learn to dig subjects I don’t like to succeed at school and at work so idk if I have ADHD. Sometimes I really hate what I have to do at work and it can be really painful to engage with it and I procrastinate a lot. But I guess many people are like that
	▲	dofm 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I was an above average school and uni student, yeah. I tended not to get "lazy" too much because I guess I found a way to be interested (my father was good at pointing me to the fascinating bits of homework etc.). Though looking at my school reports in retrospect it is clear that I did much worse at things I did not care about, and if I think about times I was shouted at for doing a poor job, disinterest was why. I do, however, fall down intellectual rabbit holes a lot because I need to be interested to get stuff done. I am now in my fifties and the biggest problem is that I have fully burned out — very severely — because I endured such high levels of stress (caused by trying to freelance while having ADHD), that I ultimately became deadline-dependent to organise myself. I've spent two years recovering and in that process I have learned that much of the typical advice (cut out caffeine) is wrong for me. Indeed cutting out caffeine left me depressed and eating worse. It is sugar I have to manage, which seems like an overoptimisation (I am quite skinny at times and I can forget to eat)

▲

kolinko 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is most probably metabolism/genetics dependent. For me, I didn't have much withdrawals (aside from a first week), but even a month later I was insanely sluggish and it was difficult for me to function properly.

▲

dofm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More like 3.75% to 6.6% at most, depending on the bean. But this is not a very good way to think about decaffeination because coffee has to be below 0.1% caffeine by dry weight, regardless of bean, to qualify as decaf, pretty much as a global standard.

A mug of decaf has about 3% of the caffeine of a mug of non-decaf coffee, at most. It is negligible as a stimulant. The only people who would need to avoid it are those with an allergy.

▲

felix-the-cat 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I needed to quit drinking caffeine and my wife decided to just start transitioning me onto decaf without telling me, each week mixing a little more into the regular coffee bean cannister until it was basically 100% decaf. It worked really well, as I didn't find out I'd been drinking 100% decaf until she told me about it.

	▲	TwoFerMaggie 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I had the same process as you (see my comment) and it was much better than quitting it cold turkey.