Can anybody find trustworthy stats that these actually reduce crime? All I see are occasional anecdotes about how they were used to find one person one time.

Skeptical me seriously doubts this is an effective solution for crime. But maybe that's because this country has a history of being willing to do a million expensive and privacy violating things, and only if it's a punitive measure.

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beambot 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

UK cctv and China's system are probably the closest examples?

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sublinear 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't have stats, but most police have made it pretty clear that they're used for investigations that would otherwise have very little to go on.

I don't think anyone other than the manufacturers have made claims of cameras reducing crime. You can put all the AI bells and whistles on them, but they're still just cameras.

They're a fallback option, not a dragnet. The police are generally reactive to reports of crime, not proactively trying to piece together the details of everyone's lives and nail them the moment their dog poops on the sidewalk. No AI can even do that anyway and it would be a waste of money.

There are two vocal camps of people on these threads that are eroding HN: fearmongerers and grifters. I don't understand how it got this bad, but that's the real crisis here.

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assimpleaspossi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You are absolutely correct but you won't get anywhere here.

I have relatives who are cops and lawyers and city councilmen. No cop is sitting in a back room somewhere tracking all the cars on every street trying to do, uh, whatever it is people here are claiming they are going to do to them.

	▲	sublinear an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I also wonder what makes people think the cops are going to trust AI any more than anyone else. A mistake on bad information is even more dangerous for them and often makes national news.

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microgpt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If they don't reduce crimes what do they do? Oh right they track inconvenient people

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therealdrag0 an hour ago | parent [-]

Solving crime is still valuable even if it doesn’t reduce crime.

	▲	deepsquirrelnet 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Bingo. Value is the operative word here. Money and privacy are valuable too, and I'm assuming that there must be some pitch deck somewhere that is presumably good and selling city councils on this. Where is it? What is the value we're supposed to get from this?