Most of the time, when "the EU" is doing something bad, it's actually the national governments wearing a different hat. The Parliament is pretty reasonable on the average, while the national policicians in the Council take advantage of the ignorance of the public. They can pursue their favorite policies without consequences, as the EU gets all the blame.

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egorfine 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doesn't matter because Apple will happily implement messages scanning immediately and eagerly. And despite let's say Poland not implementing the bill, all iPhones in Poland will snitch on their owners. Tim Cook's Apple is not Steve Jobs' Apple.

Case in point: my new Mac purchased in Switzerland and activated in Poland on my US Apple account required me to provide my age in the setup assistant. Neither Poland nor Switzerland or the US have this stupid law. Yet Apple is already doing it's part to eliminate my privacy.

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theshrike79 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And you think Google or Samsung will fight tooth and nail against EU not to implement it?

	▲	egorfine 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No, absolutely not. From those two I expect even more overcompliance.

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dgellow 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Could you clarify what you mean by „required me to provide my age in the setup assistant“? Was is actually required, or optional? Dont they already have your age associated with your iCloud account, or were you creating a new one? Without more details I’m pretty skeptical there is something nefarious here

	▲	egorfine 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It was a required step in the setup assistant. I was trying to setup this Mac with NO iCloud account thus it could not deduct my age from the account.

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Xelbair an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

which speaks volumes about either EU overstepping it's bounds as an entity, or is severely lacking checks and balances.

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Chu4eeno 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think you can nicely divide it like that.

It seems to be mostly bad individuals, or just individuals with some bad ideas they refuse to give up.

	▲	dgellow 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Plus the lobby groups that are behind and provide most of the proposal drafting
	▲	Xelbair an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		the problem is that EU has no way for citizens/voters to actually purge those bad individuals.
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constantius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The issue is that the outcome is the same: whether the Parliament is made up of angels or not, the dealings of the Commission and Council affect the Member States anyway.

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munksbeer an hour ago | parent [-]

The Council is the member states.

The Commission are their appointed civil service and work on whatever agenda is set by the Council (the member states).

Almost everything people complain about coming out of "the EU" originates in the national elected governments.

About the only ones actually protecting the people of the MEPs (the elected EU MPs). They keep shutting this sort of stuff down, and then some member state (mostly Denmark it seems) finds a way to resurrect it again, and again, and again. They only need to succeed once.

	▲	constantius 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I don't disagree with this: I'm saying that unless the power is of the Council and Commission is restrained, all the goodwill of the Parliament is an uphill battle and all people of the Member States are subjected to the corruption of unelected people like Ursula von der Leyden or of (temporarily?) problematic policies of some of the Member States' governments (like Denmark on Chat Control).

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tommica 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, this seems to be Denmarks project

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kmeisthax 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As an extension of this, look at the European Commission's response to the Stop Destroying Videogames[0] petition. It's utter dogshit. The petition is a pure consumer protection issue and the Commission's response is "but we can't touch IP rights". Bullshit, you guys made IP rights, you wrote all the rules surrounding them, and Donald Trump is about to drown you with them because America's tech oligarchs figured out your rulebook better than you knew it.

Or, if you think that issue's too niche, look at all the talk of "sovereign clouds". It's almost all "how can we build our own giant polluting AI datacenters" and not "how do we take our data back from the Americans". Because, ultimately, the European Commission is built out of an urge to submit to capital interests. The Epstein class are puppeting the EC in exactly the same way they puppet Donald Trump.

If there is any future in the EU, it will start with abolishing the European Commission to take away the capital class's accountability sink.

[0] For legal reasons, unrelated to Stop Killing Games, but they work together

	▲	onraglanroad 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Abolishing the European Commission would be seen as an attack on the individual countries' sovereignty as it would give more power to the EU.
	▲	consensus1 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Well of course it's about building data centers. There are exactly 3 options for you: 1. use "giant polluting AI data centers" in the US or China 2. build "giant polluting AI data centers" in the EU 3. do without modern technology Option 1 fails at "how do we take our data back from the Americans" and option 3 is insanity and will fail at the ballot box. So get ready for option 2.

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cyanydeez 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, don't forget the foreign propagandists who absolutely hate democracy, and have toppled both Britain and America.

That seems to always be "forgotten" about how the internet is acting as a accelerationist far right platform.

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goobatrooba an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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