Denmark’s recent reasonableness is somewhat of a historical aberration if you look at their history. The migrant crisis (and the failure of governments to address it) has stirred up some ugly things there.

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tokai 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you mean the migrant crisis stirred up things? The anti immigration position in danish politics has been a winning position since the mid 00's.

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sph 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What is funny is that it has been pushed by the social democrats. See also what Labour have been doing in UK.

Whatever we call centre-left today we would have placed much further to right a couple decades ago. At this point even the US Democrats are more progressive than our EU "liberal" parties.

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iamnothere 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As the crisis has worsened across Europe, Denmark started unbelievably intrusive AI-enabled mass surveillance of welfare recipients (almost 15% of the population), dangerous infrastructure which could be applied to the population as a whole. And I’d argue that fears over migrant-driven crime are what allowed Denmark’s politicians to push for Chat Control in the first place.

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tokai 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah no I don't buy that, and have never heard that angle before. Surveillance in Denmark is much older than that. Since the personal ID number was rolled out in 1968 its been one long process of integrating public systems with each other to surveil and control. Surveillance of welfare recipients started getting serious in the 00's too. The migrant crisis drove polices like the confiscations of jewelry from foreigners, and public funded commercials in the middle east telling people to stay away.

Internally chat control and migration are never talked about together. Chat control has no leverage on migration in Denmark. Its not a factor that would change anything. It's all about international treaties making it impossible to send people out of the country forcefully. That's the policy the migrant crisis really ignited.

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tough 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'd say the AI powered aspects of it is whats troubling.

We know how trustable ai outputs are, and now govts' are ready to let the AI's control their people?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/11/denmark-ai-po...

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iamnothere 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like you would know more on this, then, I had heard that there was a link between Chat Control and migration. I was also unfamiliar with Denmark’s long history of surveillance, as I’d literally never heard of this being an issue there until recently—but I do not live there. Thank you for the correction.

Edit: this in no way should be read to condone Denmark’s position here.

	▲	Gareth321 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Dane here, I don't think there is much of a link. The government is usually pragmatic about security, and has long leaned into technology to achieve it.