It's not like we can do anything. We don't have democracy - we can't vote on issues and we (in most countries) can't even vote on people. We just vote on 2-3 non-fringe parties and they choose people and policies. You may formally put an X next to some name but it's just a chosen party official. They need to walk party line and be in good standings with the leadership to even get on the list.

There is just nothing you can do really in that system other than pursue career in politics which is a no-go for most people for obvious reasons.

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blfr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, we can: I am from Poland and precisely through this mechanism our MEPs/delegates/nominates know that supporting this would be a disaster for their political group right here back home regardless of direct voting.

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josmar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only Switzerland has a true democracy

	▲	dgellow 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We also have representatives. We call it semi-direct democratic system. There is no such thing as a „true democracy“, it’s a set of principles

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basisword 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>> We don't have democracy - we can't vote on issues

This is how democracy works pretty much everywhere. You vote for parties or people based on their policies.

	▲	Argonaut998 an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The problem with the EU is that there are many levels of abstraction, and the more links in a chain the more susceptible to corruption it is. This becomes immediately obvious when you vote for a party who fails to fulfill, or even go against their policies. Then for the EU there’s an additional level of abstraction for the commission. At this level, the voter is far removed from their initial vote and are completely powerless.
	▲	bluecalm an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		There are too many levels of indirection. At least in some countries you can vote on a person representing your town/area. This is one level of indirection less and allows people who aren't just chosen party members to win and then they have incentives to help the region. In "standard" party democracy there is just nothing that can be done. Calling it democracy as in rule of the people is a disgrace.