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jimbokun 7 hours ago

I agree.

This Robin Williams monologue nails exactly why LLMs make us so uneasy.

They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have. They can’t taste a strawberry or do any of the things Robin Williams names.

There are a number of people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful will be lost.

They need to watch this clip.

Even though they probably still won’t understand it.

shermantanktop 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

ChatGPT has taken to saying things like “What I would do now is…” or “if I were you I’d…”.

I know these are figures of speech, but it reminds me that this thing doesn’t do anything, it doesn’t learn anything, it can’t try anything and find out. And yet it uses speech patterns drawn from real humans who can and do all those things.

dualvariable 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I had claude throw something like "the last time I did <x>..." at me.

They seem to be trying to pump up the "humanity" to keep people engaged with it, which really backfires with me.

ricardobayes 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's still slightly better than GPT's insanely dry and objective manner of speech.

mirsadm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're right to push back...

moffkalast 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair points all around — let me actually check rather than guess.

Toutouxc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claude does that too. “That always confuses me” or “I usually realize”.

Not only do these imply that the thing has a personality and preference, but also continuity and a life outside the chat window.

I had to add an explicit instruction not to impersonate a human, it was just too weird for me.

avadodin 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Disabling this feature makes you judge its performance less accurately —for people pretending to learn from their mistakes do the same.

I think it was the Aliens universe where the Soviet megacorp makes the androids blue despite their being basically equivalent to humans

WalterBright 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Listen! And understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!

placebo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The terminator you talk about is a movie character. It might be built one day, it might not. It is also totally irrelevant considering there is a real terminator which can be described with the same adjectives and built in to every personal life that ever existed or will exist. Knowing how to deal with that seems more important than worrying about some specific scenario.

zahlman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've noticed it commonly uses phrasing like "that's usually the next step" when I'm using it to design something that I can't find an existing implementation of.

lgrapenthin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not a day passes with my LLM of choice making completely baseless claims about "many people", who supposedly share all my problems and solve them like the LLM proposes

ithkuil 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder why, out of the many things models definitely can't do, you choose "try" and "find out". Surely every time it proposes a solution and then gets possibly corrected by the human minder its "trying something out" and surely it can use tools like web search and code execution to "find out" stuff?

akiselev 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I ask it to tweak recipes and stuff, it frequently says stuff like "my favorite way to..." or "I really like [x]".

I have a viscerally negative reaction to a machine claiming it has a favorite anything.

shermantanktop 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Recipes! Dude, the only thing you eat is other people’s data.

neonstatic 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I only use it sporadically, but I am always irked by it saying things like "I personally like to..." or "I prefer...". It does it so often, that I am convinced it's part of the system prompt.

scotty79 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it can’t try anything and find out

Talk to an agent. It definitely learns things. Maybe not the taste of strawberry but about what is really going on in the software you are building with it.

aeve890 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>It definitely learns things.

By the very way this technology works they can't learn anything after training. What you think is "learning" it's just a session log written back to the context when you resume the session.

Ferret7446 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you know that "real humans" do that and aren't simulacra? We know that it is physically possible to hook up a brain to simulated inputs, so perhaps you are simply living in a simulation.

roncesvalles 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>They speak fluently and confidently about experiences it’s impossible for them to have.

But they're echoing these things from people who really have.

The key is to not forget that LLMs are just next-generation search engines, instead of anthropomorphizing them to be "speaking agents". The natural language IO interface is just a side effect.

pmarreck 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is literally an argument for why people will remain important.

Because people are the stakeholders and the tasters and the feelers.

AI is just another tool, albeit an unusually fascinating one.

moffkalast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> people building these machines who literally believe the machines will replace us and because they will be more powerful than us so nothing meaningful will be lost

I have a pet theory on why that's the case and why this monologue fits so well. I think there's a variety of conditions, from straight up sociopathy, to Will's type of CPTSD, autistic masking, and probably a hell of a lot more that makes a person experience life on a level that's closer to an LLM than a healthy normal human being, where every interaction is essentially fake and acted out almost mechanically without any genuine connection ever occurring. Doubly so with ever decreasing local communities and online isolation.

So from that point of view, it's hard to see what would be lost because for them it doesn't exist anyway. Tech augmented generational trauma on steroids.

kgwxd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They saw it, understood it perfectly, laughed at it, and continue fucking over humanity.

SoftTalker 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a movie. The whole thing is fiction. Robin Williams memorized the whole monologue, or was reading que cards.

tadfisher 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ask ChatGPT sometime about the artistic medium of cinema, and how words combined with actors speaking them can be meant to provoke something within the viewer.

nok22kon 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

same as literature which can provoke something in the viewer.

sometimes so strong it wins a literary prize.

then it turns out it was written by a LLM.

esperent 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you talking about this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/literature/comments/1thqxgt/a_prize...

Linking the reddit thread rather than the article because it quite rightly rips the prize winning story apart as obvious LLM writing, to anyone familiar with LLMs. Another way of looking at that is that it was able to fake a simulacrum of artistic endeavor, enough to fool some people into giving it a prize. But anyone who spends enough time around these fakes will quickly learn to recognize them. It's kind of exactly the point this article is making, or at least a closely related one.

scotty79 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think average people can easily spot AI because it mimics literature and most people don't spend that much time with literature. However literary critics should be fooled way more easily because what we perceive as stiff fakery is their daily bread and butter. People do write like AI, just not the people we are exposed to mostly.

I remember riding a train and there were other two passengers talking. And they talked in so obnoxiously literary manner I was cringing all the time. Those people were just reading a lot of high literature and their speech patterns aligned. For an average ear it doesn't sound good. And AIs, the smart ones, don't sound good in a very similar fashion.

scotty79 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> can be meant to provoke something within the viewer.

Doesn't make it any less fake. Both the message and the delivery.

mingus88 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And an LLM is just generating a token stream from a set of model weights

jiggawatts 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Your thoughts are just some ions sloshing around a lump of meat.

That meat follows an ill-defined pattern encoded in fewer bits than the source code of PyTorch and its pretraining phase used a tiny fraction of the available data.

You’re a poor imitation of an LLM.

I mean… you’re fluent in, what, at most five or six languages? Can program in maybe another dozen if we’re being generous about your capabilities?

Pfft… who would trust anything to meat brains!? They’re famously prone to hallucinations!

genxy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Your understanding of biology could use an update, rather than the coy "meat", you might refer to the brain as "flesh" but better yet a lipid-rich gel the consistency of soft tofu. It is most certainly not "meat".

OrsonSmelles 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If we're making superficial critiques of others' comments with minimal relevance to their philosophical content, let me point out that meat is defined by its consumption as food and need not be muscle tissue specifically. Brains is meat.

mapontosevenths 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Brains is meat.

Found the zombie. Do I win a prize?

kgwxd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, just like how every song sounds exactly the same live as on the album. There's no humanity in there, it's all just lifeless plans.

WalterBright 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Weirdly, I get sick of hearing the album versions. But if I hear a live version of it, it is fresh again!

Fleetwood Mac's live re-arrangements of their hits are wonderful examples.