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dyauspitr 13 hours ago

What’s the downside to this magical drug. There has to be a downside…

ceejayoz 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why does there have to be a downside?

What was the downside of washing hands before surgery?

9x39 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because our bodies are delicate systems of networks, and inputs in one area can have complex/unpredictable outputs elsewhere, it seems.

Typically, if something "works", there often appear to be side effects. A free lunch is rare.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/understanding-medica...

JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Typically, if something "works", there often appear to be side effects

Unless it’s literally a deficit. There isn’t a downside to treating vitamin C deficiency with vitamin C.

krackers 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The fact that GLP-1 seems to have roles not just in satiety but that agonists seem to reduce other types of impulsiveness (e.g. gambling, shopping) is interesting. That's not something you'd predict as a consequence, and perhaps is downstream of some gut-brain connection.

Of course we already manipulate brain chemistry in other more direct ways with antidepressants so perhaps any unwanted second-order effects could be minor in comparison to the profile of existing antidepressants .

9x39 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't heard about impulsiveness. I had read that taste preferences changed - e.g., salty, sweet, savory, fatty:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7105351/

I've been watching developments on how GLP1s seem to go beyond just hunger/insulin response, even how they may affect symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS), which is difficult on women who have it:

https://academic.oup.com/ejendo/article/194/3/S25/8488941

OscarCunningham 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One argument would be that Ozempic doesn't give your body any additional resources. It just triggers your body to behave in a different way. But if the changes it causes are universally good, why didn't evolution already make your body work that way?

I suppose the counterargument would be that modern life is different from the evolutionary environment, and so it's possible for a change to be beneficial now that wasn't beneficial then. But it would still be good to understand better the mechanism of the effect of Ozempic on things like addiction.

ceejayoz 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But if the changes it causes are universally good, why didn't evolution already make your body work that way?

That’s not how evolution works.

crooked-v 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> But if the changes it causes are universally good, why didn't evolution already make your body work that way?

We evolved in an environment where every bit of food took hours of effort and food preservation was impossible, so the only logical thing to do with extra food was feast and store up as much fat as possible for lean times. We're still many generations away from evolving to compensate for the discovery of fire, let alone everything that came after that.

pandaman 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even if there are zero effects other than the advertised weight reduction, one downside is obvious from the comments here - some people will stop exercising.

While exercise has many positive effects, which I'd argue are more important than the weight loss, the latter is the primary reason many people exercise and likely to stop when given the weight loss by other means.

phil21 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> one downside is obvious from the comments here - some people will stop exercising.

Is there any source on this? The precise opposite has happened in my experience. I was an early evangelist for these drugs, and have many dozens of people who I talk to regularly who have since taken them over the years. I cannot think of a single person who went from regular exercise to reducing or eliminating it after taking the drug. Exactly zero.

I can think of well over a dozen folks who started regular exercise for the first time in their lives after losing 50 or more pounds.

Certainly many who did not change their habits either way. But overall this matches with what the trainers in my gym report. They were initially worried GLP-1s would reduce their client base, but the exact opposite has happened for them. It's brought an entirely new demographic into play and business is booming.

> which I'd argue are more important than the weight loss,

You would be making an argument contrary to most established science on the topic. Exercise is important and quite beneficial to health. Obesity is far worse. Not many obese people working out regularly to start with though, so I don't think this point holds much water to begin with. We are not a nation full of obese gym rats.

subtlejellyfish 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We should stop telling people that exercise is a primary driver of weight loss.

That said, exercise has a direct impact on metabolic health which is pretty necessary to maintain a healthy weight.

chrisco255 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most people are achieving weight loss by dietary changes. It takes a massive amount of exercise to significantly alter your calorie balance. Definitely good for you either way but most people who exercise also want to be toned or muscular.

cflewis 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nothing in this world is free, GLP-1s have their downsides (excluding cost).

Mostly it's nausea and gastrointestinal distress side effects. These tend to cool down over time, but it'll put a ceiling on how big a dose you can tolerate. Some people can't tolerate a dose at any level.

declan_roberts 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some downsides:

1. They make you stop eating, which for most of human history kills you.

2. They are a life-long treatment and kind of expensive unless you go gray market.

3. Gastrointestinal issues especially when titrating up.

chrisco255 9 hours ago | parent [-]

1. They don't make you stop altogether, they just make you feel full on less calories, which is good when you are in a calorie dense environment like modern society.

2. Not necessary here either if dietary habits are permanently altered, which can happen more easily after several months on GLPs.

3. Perhaps!

cagenut an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the downside is it allows us to continue to avoid solving the real problem

ideologues will tell you this is that all mankind suddenly lost their ability to exert self-discipline a few decades ago

science points to a broad combination of things like corn syrup and seed oils simply making food too addictivly-rewarding and calorie rich for our nervous and endocrine systems to handle.

so, do we reform the farm bill and fast food industries, or do we take the antidote?

kolinko 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And downsides of penicilin? There are some but they are massively offset by not having alt consequences

culi 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are massive downsides to any antibiotic. A single dose of a broad-spectrum antibiotic can permanently alter a kid's gut microbiome and make them more likely to develop a variety of mental health issues like depression

https://theconversation.com/how-childhood-infections-requiri...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-single-course-o...

sevenseacat 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As someone with a severe allergy, lots of downsides to me!

subtlejellyfish 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Penicillin resistant bacteria?

tayo42 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't they age your face pretty badly?

sevenseacat 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Not by themselves - its the result of weight loss that can make your skin sag a bit.

weregiraffe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the downside to antibiotics?

Aaargh20318 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The downside is that they make you eat less thereby taking away one of the few things that make life worth living.

SubiculumCode 11 hours ago | parent [-]

That is the silliest take ever. I am on GLP-1s, and I still enjoy my food..maybe more than ever before.