This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice.

Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

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jeroenhd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more.

It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data brokers in the west will sell a lot more details about you, pre-categorized and all.

If you're afraid of industrial espionage, Chinese companies may be a risk, but in that case you shouldn't be uploading your secrets to an AI company in the first place.

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ra an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I agree. Our greatest nation-threats are not the countries we're told they are.

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ElProlactin 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game.

So one of the world's biggest and most rapid military build-ups in history that is largely intended to give China the ability to seize a democratic country by force by 2027 over any US/Western efforts to protect it is OK because...it's "a long-term tactical game"?

Note that China is not just menacing Taiwan. It's constantly harassing Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam too. Other countries in the region are worried because they understand that if China takes Taiwan successfully, it's not likely to stop there and become a good, peaceful neighbor.

The US, under Trump, is a foreign policy disaster. That doesn't mean that China, with a seemingly more emotionally stable dictator at the helm, is any less dangerous.

> They might get some info on you, but the data brokers in the west will sell a lot more details about you, pre-categorized and all.

With all due respect, you're really naive about how China operates.

https://www.wired.com/story/chineses-surveillance-state-is-s...

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cute_boi 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

China has a economy which they can't risk. People keep saying same thing for Russia, but they haven't been able to defeat even Ukraine.

At this point I am afraid of US government than China...

	▲	ElProlactin 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> China has a economy which they can't risk. People keep saying same thing for Russia, but they haven't been able to defeat even Ukraine. Huh? Russia invaded Ukraine, at significant economic cost, and hundreds of thousands of people have died. > At this point I am afraid of US government than China... Just as people can walk and chew gum at the same time, you can have reason to be concerned about more than one country at a time.

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wyrdcurt 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Less likely to align with your interests maybe, but have you considered that not everyone has the same interests?

Personally I am much more concerned about handing my data over to the government that actually has power over me and labels dissenters terrorists than I am with the government overseas that has no direct effect on my life... well, other than providing alternative LLMs with permissive licenses that can be hosted anywhere in the world... but to each their own, I suppose.

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rcr-anti 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being open weight, the Chinese models can be served the same way as Anthropic's: via AWS or GCP. Or whomever really, or on prem.

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foogazi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What if the model is hosted on a 3rd party site ?

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plandis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I know which one I'd rather send tokens to.

Do you have access to Mythos? If not the choice has already been made for you.

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nickthegreek 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t have to run the chinese models in chinese data centers as many of them are open weights. Some could say that trumps both.

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ls612 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don't have to send your tokens to the CCP to use the Chinese models, that is the beauty of it. You can find GLM, Minimax, Deepseek, Kimi, etc hosted in China, Europe, the US, and probably elsewhere depending on what your geographic preferences for token transport are.

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ebbi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given recent history, I'd be more likely to be killed by American actions than Chinese ones.

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greenavocado an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

China won't arrest you for wrongthink where you live now

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LNSY 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

At least China isn't a terrorist state run by Jeffery Epstein Associates. It's a nation run by engineers, and it has flaws, but at least the people at the top know how to read.