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| ▲ | defrost 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > a much greater injury and death rate attributable to vaccines than COVID. Explain Australia then, specifically the absence of nation wide injury and death following the short period in which 98% of a population ~ 24 million or so, got two to three rounds of vaccines with a new definition. Fantastic case study for such widespread ill effects to clearly and unambiguously show up - the country is isolated and has had world class epidemiology researchers plugged into integrated national health records for 50+ years. |
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| ▲ | trimethylpurine 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | defrost 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Data first. What was that injury rate in Australia, how many of the > 20 million vaccine recipients died or were injured by vaccines. Where are these deaths and injuries greater in magnitude than COVID deaths and injuries? I cannot answer for you or your governments odd notions. Feel free to concentrate on actually making and landing a solid point with peer commenter azan. |
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| ▲ | preg_match 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Right but at the end of the day how many people died from the Covid vaccine? We all need a healthy dose of reality. Yes the vaccine rollout was not perfect. But 1 million Americans died from Covid. And that’s that, if we can’t even agree on reality then there’s no point in arguing. |
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| ▲ | richbell 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What I'm reading is that you agree Trump represents the republican party. Great, the gp's comment has been settled. |
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| ▲ | trimethylpurine 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay. I can't say I care much who he represents. I'm more concerned with the fact that half the country is okay with pardoning a war criminal who committed a biological weapons attack on literally every country in the world, including the US. If I have to pick between a murderer and literally killing everyone on earth I'll pick the murderer because I'm not a psychopath. Can you blame me? |
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| ▲ | azan_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Covid vaccines are very safe and saved lots of lives. That’s what actual research shows, not your delusions. I’m biochemistry phd so yeah, step up. |
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| ▲ | trimethylpurine 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Math please? Specifically citing the research that the FDA cited from the NEJoM. Please include the published injury rate, and the published efficacy. If you can't make a point with the math, then don't bother replying. My invitation is to discuss with scientists, to be clear. CNN is not qualified as a scientific body, despite claiming to be. I'm aware that most of the US believes that CNN is the arbiter of science. I'm referring specifically to a scientific paper published by the manufacturer of the drug you are pedaling. And that's my point. You can't. You're consuming media and calling it science. You're lying to yourself. Please prove me wrong. Look at the injury rate in the NEJoM study submitted by Pfizer, and look at the rate of disease symptoms (later decreased but we'll ignore that for the sake of driving my point home), and tell me what the rest of us scientists missed. Or at least admit that you didn't really notice that it killed and injured more people in Pfizer's own study than you had realized (for the sake of honest scientists if you care to call yourself one). I'll even overlook the fact that all the "peer reviewers" were Pfizer employees who couldn't bring themselves to the level of shame so as to falsify the results. Instead they themselves published blatantly that the drug is more destructive than the disease it purports to treat. Thankfully we have some moral fiber in the field. | | |
| ▲ | azan_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But you did not make any point, you keep using buzzword without referencing any data. You did not even link exact study you are talking about (there are lots of nejm covid studies…). You did not reference a single number. So please, if you want math actually make your point without bullshit about me consuming media etc. | | |
| ▲ | trimethylpurine 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Seriously? There is only one study that the FDA cited to claim that it was safe and effective submitted by Pfizer. But let me help then. Let's ignore the fact that the head of the FDA was fired and replaced because he refused to say so. Let's just look at the research directly. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Love to hear your input here. Check the math carefully. > "Covid vaccines are very safe and saved lots of lives." I'm convinced you didn't get this idea from honestly reading research. | | |
| ▲ | azan_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, that study shows safety of the vaccine, so what’s your point? Could you actually just say what’s your point? I can’t tell you why you are wrong if you don’t tell me what’s your problem. |
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