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justonepost2 5 hours ago

Zoo animals don’t get to decide what their cage looks like.

Maybe you value freedom of movement — too bad, the unruly humans start killing each other when they stray too far from home, so now you get a 10 mile radius.

Maybe you value the environment or other species - too bad, the most efficient way to serve humanity is to toss them into the meat grinder.

Maybe you’re not interested in the one-way Mars mission - too bad, we need to expand society and your name popped up in the lottery.

And maybe, at the end, the benevolent aligned mother figure realizes that it’s much easier to create lives of endless bliss by doing the matrix instead of keeping the real world habitable.

Maybe these are all net positive on your utilitarian value function of choice. All I can say is I hope you and your people fucking lose.

BosunoB 4 hours ago | parent [-]

But none of us decide what our cage looks like, now. Our cage now is capitalism, wage labor, disease, death, suffering. We already are tossing the environment in the meat grinder, and many people already have very limited freedom of movement due to poverty, government choices, or circumstance.

You can argue that, at least for democratic countries, these are choices we've made of our own self-determination, but is that even fair to the millions or billions who have far less self-determination?

The cage imposed by nature or by the leaders of whatever country you're born in is just not a very good cage for a lot of people.

justonepost2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Then we should strive to give more people a chance at greater self-determination, not the opposite.