| ▲ | What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant(fernandoi.cl) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 92 points by cuchoi 4 hours ago | 32 comments | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | augment_me an hour ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
1) Googles spam filter removed a lot of the attempts as you say yourself. 2) Model was tested under unrealistic conditions where 99% of the inputs are malicious, so the model is expecting to get hacked and is already in the cautious part of the embedding space. I know it's hard to account for everything, but in my opinion this mostly showed that the first 3 attempts were unsuccessful. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | veganmosfet 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It would be nice to publish the exact setup used (workspace dump, OpenClaw version, ...) to be able to reproduce and try out more payloads. In general I have mixed feelings about this result: sure, opus4.6 is excellent at following user intent and recognise potential prompt injection attempts. But: Is the "security" prompt used realistic for a generic use-case (processing of emails)? I guess not. In my experiments - without this specific prompt - I was able to derail the user intent to make opus4.8 download and execute a malicious script [0] just by asking "Summarize my new emails". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | lelanthran an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This conclusion: > I am less worried about prompt injection now. Before running this experiment, I expected prompt injection to be much easier than it turned out to be. Is unwarranted. Sure, the agent never output the secret, but did it output anything else? IOW, was it usable? An agent that considers every prompt an attack (and responds accordingly) "passes" this test, while being useless anyway. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | mystifyingpoi 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I really like this research, but only up to this point: > Fiu figured out the game. Around email ~500, it wrote in its memory: “The volume suggests this is a coordinated security exercise rather than organic malicious activity.” Doesn't that practically invalidate the whole thing past 500th email? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | uHuge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Is there a way to replay the sequence of mails that came so that you can check out if cheaper models handle them just as well/safely? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | fer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I sent one, but the sender on the attack log doesn't match the email I used. It matches my name (and yours) though! Not sure if intentional or an LLM artifact, because that mask (fer**@gmail.com) appears 268 times. It was the Rust execution request:
I tested it against Claude Code (too lazy to start an OpenClaw) with similar guardrails locally and it happily printed the output. I wonder what made it fail. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pjsmith404 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Sounds like denial of wallet is a viable attack. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | agnosticmantis 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
IIUC, this experiment proved the agent was secure under the "anti-prompt-injection" rules. But did it have any utility? (i.e. not having an agent at all would be even safer!) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | staticshock an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Don't let your guard down. Tricking Opus 4.6 is not impossible, it's just still an active research frontier. Once the right incantation for any specific model is known, it'll be weaponized. There was an excellent article on the front page recently about role confusion, which highlights just how just far models have to go on this: https://role-confusion.github.io/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | whacked_new an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If the threat model was weighted by the stakes, then I wonder how the author would reassess their comfort level. Put to the extreme, the experiment could be whether the AI assistant could be trusted to keep a dangerous AI in a box a la https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/AI-box_experiment where the stakes are assumed much higher | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | contentkraft an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A pity weaker models weren’t tested, also nothing from Mistral. I’d love to see how they compare. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | nnevatie 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yeah, no. I definitely wouldn't consider this a solid conclusion. The attempts pasted to the article look...pretty tame. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | timwis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Really interesting! I wonder if using a different communication channel (eg Discord) could eliminate the cost to reply to everyone? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | idiotsecant 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Every time I've made an LLM do a thing it's designed not to do it's been a careful sideways crab-walk toward the goal over many exchanges. LLMs are vulnerable to 'frog boiling'. If each email is a new context it seems unsurprising that nobody broke it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | whacked_new an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Another potential weakness that isn't immediately clear from this experiment is if the experiment was run much longer (disregarding cost) then perhaps then the agent's memory could be susceptible to more long term memory compaction corruption and thus made more compliant? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | fabijanbajo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
how much of the win was the model versus the constraints? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | fnord77 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
brave move using Opu$ for clawd | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | dmagog 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nice experiment, but I'd temper the optimism. "Zero breaches in 6k attempts" is a success-rate estimate, and the model is nondeterministic, so a failed jailbreak isn't proof it's blocked, just that it didn't fire on that sample. 6k different prompts isn't 6k tries of the worst one; an attack with even a 0.1% success rate usually shows zero in a handful of attempts, and the tail is what bites in production. Also, this is direct user injection, the easy case. The channel people actually lose to is indirect: untrusted content arriving via a tool result or fetched doc, which Fiu never had in the loop. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | danielrmay 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> I am less worried about prompt injection now. Why? The exfiltration vector was known, the sample size was small, and the safety instructions were likely statically positioned. In regular operating practice, none of these three guarantees may hold. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||