| ▲ | Shitty-kitty 3 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Don't glorify Rome too much. It was a slavery based society that progressed sciences, technology and civilization little from what they inherited from the Mesopotamian's/Greeks. Heck written Latin didn't even have punctuation marks, not even spaces. That's because it was only used by slave scribes. The nobility that could write, did so in Greek. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | beloch 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
- Go stand in the Hagia Sophia and tell me the Romans did little to improve architecture and engineering. - I won't defend the Roman record on slavery, but I will point out that the Greeks (particularly the Spartans) were slave societies too. - The Greeks were significantly more xenophobic and sexist than the Romans. If you washed up on the shores of ancient Greece, you could never have become a citizen. The Romans were far more tolerant and inclusive. - Putting spaces between words was a medieval innovation. The Greeks wrote in much the same way as the Romans, and that was thanks to the Phoenicians! - Romans revered Greek culture because their city started in a period when Greek colonies were spreading Greek influence throughout the Mediterranean and, specifically, in Italy itself. Greece was to Rome as Rome was to medieval Europeans: A colonizer. ---------- No ancient society smells of roses if you look close enough. However, it's also rare to find ancient societies that expanded and persisted for centuries without being innovative and progressive. The Romans were both awful and great, much like the Greeks, Akkadians, Babylonians, Sumerians, etc. before them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | quibono 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> a slavery based society As opposed to the Greeks, Parthians, Ptolemaic Egypt and Judea? Unless you mean "fully dependent on slave labour" - then I guess we can mention Sparta and Athens. > that progressed sciences, technology and civilization little from what they inherited from the Mesopotamian's/Greeks What does "little" mean in this context? This is a very fuzzy concept but this doesn't sound right. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | simonebrunozzi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It was one of the most influential civilization in all of recorded history. It's not about glorifying it, or justifying it. I think that a lot of people see it much more "civilized" than many others, before and during it. And perhaps after it too. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>Don't glorify Rome too much. It was a slavery based society that progressed sciences, technology and civilization little from what they inherited from the Mesopotamian's/Greeks. It progressed civic life, institutions, law, infrastructure, and other things, a lot. Modern law is a heavy percentage ancient roman law in basis. Slavery-based society doesn't say much for 2 millenia ago. Most where. The US had slavery until less than 2 centuries, and Jim Crow and other such things until less than a century. And still has things like forced prison labor, so let's cut the Romans some fucking slack. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | oersted 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What have the Romans ever done for us? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It’s ironic that the civilizations that directly contributed to us sitting here believing in egalitarian democracy, get far more hate for it than the ones that never evolved into egalitarian democracy at all. We are standing on the shoulders of giants and some people can’t see it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | BigTTYGothGF 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> progressed sciences, technology and civilization little Roman engineering was pretty darn solid. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | WalterBright 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What civilization would you glorify? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jazz9k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yawn. More rewriting of history to try to remove successful cultures. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||