| ▲ | vunderba 2 hours ago |
| Anyone who still needs to run Windows 10 for whatever reason should switch over to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2) which will continue to receive security updates up through 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/rel... |
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| ▲ | noxer 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| This is bad advice that is being repeated over and over by the so called tech influencers. You go to an older version that only got security updates so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10. And for the foreseeable future you gain nothing at all.
If one day the normal version acctually stops reviving security updates, it almost certainly will be possible to switch the update channel to LTSC and get the LTSC updates that way but for now this is not needed and the switch is unnecessary
Also without some trickery, switching to LTSC requires a complete reinstallation, which for most people likely wasting sever hours. |
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| ▲ | giancarlostoro an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Linux is free and less wasteful on resources on the other hand. |
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| ▲ | detritus 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Out of interest, what value do you think that a comment like that has, in a forum such as this? You're not likely to be informing people with information they're not already abundantly aware of. Whereas the person you're responding to is adding value, for me at least. I am in what might be an edge-case position where I need to run software specific to Windows and, much more importantly run hardware that uses drivers which seemingly don't work on Windows 11 (I only learnt recently, whilst planning to finally 'upgrade'). I couldn't even begin to do what I do, ably and competently at least, in a Linux environment. And I've had at least one laptop for general use running some flavour of Linux for about 16 years now. | | | |
| ▲ | vunderba an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is, and if you can switch, it’s highly recommended. I have some pretty bespoke old RS-232 Windows software that was an absolute disaster to get working under Debian with Wine a few years back, so I (and others) might still need to keep a copy of Windows around. | | |
| ▲ | ihalip an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Might want to try again, Wine progressed a lot in the past couple years. | | |
| ▲ | thangalin 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It works well, though its messages could use some TLC: libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 33: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 34: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
libEGL warning: egl: failed to create dri2 screen
libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 33: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 34: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
libEGL warning: egl: failed to create dri2 screen
libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
0124:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000034, 0313F66C, 0313F6DC 0313F674
0124:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x34 0x1009 0313F66C 0313F6DC 0313F674) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0124:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation HEAP_INFORMATION_CLASS 1 not implemented!
0124:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000034, 0313F9D4, 0313FA44 0313F9DC
0124:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x34 0x1009 0313F9D4 0313FA44 0313F9DC) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0124:fixme:shell:InitNetworkAddressControl stub
0124:fixme:richedit:editor_handle_message EM_GETLANGOPTIONS: stub
0124:fixme:richedit:editor_handle_message EM_SETLANGOPTIONS: stub
0124:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0124:fixme:win:RegisterTouchWindow hwnd 000100E0, flags 0 stub!
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (7853A300) stub
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (7B4F6BE4) stub
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (79410E54) stub
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| ▲ | f-az an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can’t wait till Fable 6 can just decompile and reimplement old software like that. | | |
| ▲ | Filligree an hour ago | parent [-] | | Great for the americans. What are the rest of us going to do? | | |
| ▲ | lukan 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Use the distilled chinese models. | |
| ▲ | SirMaster 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe get your governments and citizens to innovate and create their own instead of relying so heavily on other countries. I thought that's the direction other countries were trying to go. | |
| ▲ | farnsworthfusor 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Try Opus 4.8? It's just a language translation task. LLMs should be good at it. |
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| ▲ | sharts an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | VMs were not an option? |
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| ▲ | kazinator an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Unless it's some Microsoft version of Linux, of course, in which every keystroke you type performs a docker run ... or whatever. |
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| ▲ | ptx 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, not just anyone can buy a license for it. You need some sort of enterprise volume license agreement, as far as I can tell. |
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| ▲ | thunfischbrot 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Within EU, you could buy licenses from one of the legal license resell markets.
For everyone outside of reach of the law, there‘s massgravel. | |
| ▲ | causality0 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you're considering switching to Win 10 IoT you're probably not in the "people who pay for Windows" category. |
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| ▲ | ericpp 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can continue using normal Windows 10 if you have a Microsoft account attached to it. They give you the option to sign up for free extended updates (until 2027). |
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| ▲ | jacobgkau 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | ...which is exactly what the featured article is about. But 2032 > 2027, so I have to assume the person you replied to already knew that and was providing additional advice. | | |
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| ▲ | LeFantome 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Current trends indicate that regular Windows 10 may as well. |
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| ▲ | osti 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does that support modern gaming? |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you mean “modern” as in technologies like HDR, no. | |
| ▲ | giancarlostoro an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There used to be a website something like "windowsserver2008gaming.com" or something like that idr the specific domain, that was literally a guide to turn old windows server OS installs into gaming computers. The golden years. | |
| ▲ | badocr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It does support "modern gaming" yes, but like the sibling comment mentions, at least Riot's anti-cheat demands Windows 10 22H2 (the last iteration of Win10) as a minimum. There are a few somewhat convoluted workarounds floating around that people use. Also Adobe CS seems to require Win10 22H2. | |
| ▲ | vunderba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My only caveat is that I’m not sure how it handles multiplayer games that require anti-cheat or DRM-style mechanisms, but it’s been flawless with every title I’ve thrown at it so far (BG3, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk, Ori, etc) | |
| ▲ | eska 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Even Riot’s rootkit “Vanguard” has reduced requirements for Windows 10. | |
| ▲ | kgwxd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "modern gaming" being a euphemism for "more proprietary software that has chained us to even worse proprietary software for decades". | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t feel particularly chained to proprietary software just by playing games. I play all of them on Linux using open source software. Yes, the games themselves are proprietary, but that’s because they’re primarily art pieces, and that generally makes sense. | |
| ▲ | mhurron 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's actually a question relating to what some people want to do with their computer. Most people don't run an OS because of some moral objection to other OS's but because it lets them do what they want with their device. |
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| ▲ | everyone 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Also MS go to great lengths to make the secret good version of Windows (It honestly is very good, I'd put it up there with Linux Mint) very difficult to buy.
So just torrent it. It's bad enough running Windows let alone giving money to MS. |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It honestly is very good, I'd put it up there with Linux Min I am not necessarily a Microsoft hater per se, but to insinuate
that Linux is on the same level as the Microsoft operating system
is really strange to me. Whenever I, for instance, have to copy
files to windows, I am getting annoyed at how slow it is compared
to Linux. And that's just one issue I have. Another one is how slow
e. g. ruby is on windows, compared to linux. The windows operating
system is simply not good. Linux also has issues, in particular
the main GUIs (both qt and gtk suck). | | |
| ▲ | nly an hour ago | parent [-] | | And good god...windows 11 updates still take fucking hours and still require multiple reboots. How this is still so painful after 2 decades is beyond me |
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