Rugnir's points:

> "readers feel cheated when they learn that a text was written by AI. But will this attitude persist?"

Yes, yes it will. I don't say this as a value judgement, just an inevitability. When people can generate stuff themselves, it becomes less magical. You have to do something they themselves cannot, or would not think to do. Its possible to do surprising and insightful with ai, but you aren't going to get that with a single one paragraph prompt. If you aren't sure, you aren't doing it. By definition, very few people will reach this level with AI (because if more did, it would no longer be noteworthy or interesting).

I imagine social norms will develop that you chat with these yourself to develop something (including having it fetch human works on the topic for you to read), then write your piece in your own words/say it in your own voice.

> "an app that stages debates among these philosophers, allowing what many philosophers and humanists have long dreamed about: assembling the best minds in the world and having them talk to each other."

this is not actually assembling the best minds, its asking one mind to write fanfiction about what it thinks those best minds might have said. It might be interesting, just as such a work could be if authored by a human, but it is meaningfully different.

overall, I personally reckon AI's will likely be integrated into most peoples workflows and ways of thinking eventually. Some valuable things will be lost, or at least diminished as a result. But at the same time, it won't be a disaster, and life will go on. People will recognise the biases the tools have, and learn to have self control, restraint, and social norms around their use that lets society continue to exist in some form or another.

I don't say that because I think it's good (or bad!), just what I think will actually happen.

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antiquark 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> write fanfiction about what it thinks those best minds

I asked AI what Einstein would be working on today if he were alive, the result was a predictably rosy scenario of modern physics problems.

However the reality was that Einstein (in his later years) became isolated from physics developments.

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IshKebab 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It feels obvious, but people feel cheated when they have been cheated. If you learn that text was AI when it was presented as human written (even implicitly) then that's deception and people are right to feel deceived. Just as when "true story" films like The Salt Path turn out to be bullshit.

I think the real question is how people will feel about text that is explicitly labelled as AI generated.

	▲	RugnirViking 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		the problem we have at the moment is most text isn't presented as anything; the default assumption is that a human wrote it, because until a couple years ago, we knew of nothing else that could write. So people feel betrayed if they see a text written by ai, anywhere, unless real clear upfront told its AI. Thats the implicit element problem: all text is implicitly human written, even though LLMs probably author more words than the entire human race on any given day. That's what I mean by a new social norm is being written, and I see it going the direction where damn near everything corporate or longform has "partially written by ai" on it as some kinda legalese thing (and is the default assumption where no disclaimer is present), and a select few human writers have to write "written only by humans", much though some loathe the need for such disclaimers. there is another world, where the social pressure is too great, and ai use too embarassing, such that its pushed out of the public sphere in all but a few cases. I also see elements of this forming in some spaces (including most creative ones), though which of the two will win out culturally I can't tell - the first seems to have the governmental and business backing, the second grassroots support. I predict the first world. (though clear or obvious ai usage in the wrong setting will continue to be a faux pas - I mean that your disney films and your marketing releases and news articles will be (and are now) partially ghostwritten by ai, but it will still be rude to use an ai to write to your friends on whatsapp etc)