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| ▲ | samuraijack 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| LLVM was a masters thesis project (not medicine related but research by non PhDs should not be disregarded imo) |
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| ▲ | BrtByte 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A med student can absolutely contribute useful work, especially with good supervision. The issue is more that inexperienced authors plus publication pressure plus easy tooling is a bad combination |
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| ▲ | thomasfedb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a clinician-academic who published in The Lancet during medical school, I think this goes a bit far. Unfortunately student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged. But certainly we should always approach the literature critically, including the author list, journal of publication and its peer-review practices, and the methods. |
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| ▲ | BrtByte 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I think this is the right distinction | |
| ▲ | bflesch an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was severely disillusioned about the quality of clinical studies. Would you publish if the head honcho of your double-blind study insists to know what treatment a certain patient is receiving? You have this discussion about research ethics and subsequent beratement once, and then you either mentally check out or go to another hospital. |
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| ▲ | niekmaas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, that is a statement..! As an MD PhD with over 60 (co-)publications including multiple in top 1% journals I can say for sure that this is untrue. Of course this may be different per topic and country, but there is perfect research being published by non-PhD scientists. In fact, the PI from a top-tier US university I collaborate with for over 10 years doesn't even have a PhD. |
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| ▲ | mishellaneous 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| a friend of a friend who did a stint in biomedical academia told me that the researchers in their field did not hold research coming from the medicine community in high regard |
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| ▲ | sebmellen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is really far too broad a brush. Do most medical students publish useless case studies trying to jockey for residency spots and signal hustle/devotion? No doubt! But there are a good handful of medical students who are still (surprisingly) in it for the medicine and not the money. And that handful is exceedingly capable; no reason they can’t publish valuable work with the right collaborators and resources. |
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| ▲ | myroon5 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > no reason they can’t publish valuable work with the right collaborators Despite h-index claiming to balance quantity and quality, it obviously incentives quantity over quality (no single publication can increment h-index as much as churning out a few worthless publications that cite each other); med students overwhelmingly follow those incentives trying to secure better residencies | |
| ▲ | mishellaneous 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | in that case, it's a question of proportion. we cannot automatically conclude that a (supposed) "good handful" doing good research makes up for "most students" doing bad research. |
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| ▲ | aardvark92 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I guess it depends on who the coauthors and PI are - some academic mentors can be overly trusting and ‘hands-off.’ A lone medical student’s self published paper shouldn’t be worth much though… |
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| ▲ | bflesch an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the end it is about personal integrity and idealism, no matter what the titles are. Totally different if someone's self image is that of a researcher for benefit of humankind or if they pick the career because they want to drive a Porsche. |
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| ▲ | NotGMan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Since we have seen that 50%+ of findings even in medical and other natural sciences are not repruductible it's obvious that even PhD people are mostly incompetent. |
