| ▲ | VorpalWay 5 hours ago |
| I never looked into this, but why would a datacenter consume water for cooling in the first place? Sure, they use some. But just like you fill up the cooling loop in a car, once it is there it just circulates between the heat source and radiators and/or heat exchangers, with perhaps some minimal top off needed (since flexible tubing isn't 100% water proof). Or are they for some unfathomable reason using evaporative cooling in data centers? |
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| ▲ | loeg 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Evaporative cooling consumes less expensive electricity than air conditioning. Electricity is much more expensive than water (for the same cooling load) in most places DCs are located. |
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| ▲ | rnxrx 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s usually open loop - closed loop, so closed loop goes through CRACs or liquid cooled equipment manifolds. That heated water circulates through an heat exchanger on the roof that uses open loop cooling to shed the heat to the surrounding environment. |
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| ▲ | bozhark 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | How inefficient | | |
| ▲ | cl0ckt0wer 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Way more efficient, that's why they do it. Evaporating water carries an enormous amount of energy. | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It uses almost half as much electricity, it’s way more efficient than air cooled chillers by themselves. East of the 100 degree W line of longitude, there is more than enough water to use evaporative cooling if needed. |
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| ▲ | derac 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| the unfathomable reason is that it is significantly more energy efficient. |
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| ▲ | bozhark 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then it’s not being measured adequately. The loss of material must be included If water is evaporated or spent out of the system.. it is not more efficient | | |
| ▲ | danstiner 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is more efficient, in terms of cost the datacenter owner pays per unit of heat extracted. Water is cheap in places this is being done, relative to amount of heat vaporization can carry off. You can certainly argue DCs should pay more for water than other uses, but who gets to decide what is a good vs bad use of water? Pricing in externalities is tricky, and water usage rights are especially complicated. I don't know what a good&fair solution is. | |
| ▲ | hiddencost 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Companies will never price in externalities unless they are forced to. |
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| ▲ | Groxx 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| (ab)using fresh water in vast quantities is cheaper. currently. and also more energy efficient, because evaporating water away takes a lot of energy with it. you have to raise radiators to a higher temperature to keep up with that, or have much more surface area. |
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| ▲ | loeg 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's just a lot of fresh water almost anywhere you'd want to site a DC. In places where water is more expensive, obviously it doesn't make sense. |
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| ▲ | danielheath 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At the scale DCs are operating at, losses from flexible tubing are not negligible either. 1gw of power converts approx 400 liters of cold water into steam _per second_. |
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| ▲ | dsp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s very efficient. The net electrical energy saved using the latent heat of water is 30 to 100+ times greater than the energy required to desalinate or wastewater recycle the same volume of water. |
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| ▲ | 1e1a 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, they are using evaporative cooling. |
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| ▲ | bozhark 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | But you can do that in a closed system and recapture the water | | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You cannot have evaporative cooling without evaporating some water into the atmosphere. A closed circuit cooling tower still has water spraying onto the closed loop process water heat exchanger coil and mixing with atmospheric air to evaporate and cool the process water indirectly instead of evaporating and recirculating the process water that doesn’t evaporate directly like in an open-loop cooling tower. I suppose you could condense the evaporated water somehow by using a chilled umbrella or some other ridiculous contraption above the cooling tower, but why would you do that? FWIW I sell and run commercial electrical work, primarily to mechanical contractors who are installing boilers, chillers, cooling towers, and pumps. I spend my professional life immersed in this type of equipment. | |
| ▲ | Brian_K_White 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That is called a heat pipe and doesn't get you anything. It's exactly the same as a closed plain water loop with no phase-change involved. |
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| ▲ | 2OEH8eoCRo0 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Evaporative cooling is practically a cooling cheat code. Why unfathomable? What's more efficient? |
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