So my understanding is the telemetry shows the FSD was on and driver held the accelerator down the whole time and the car did 70+ mph into the home.

Tesla proponents say it’s the drivers fault since the accelerator was held while dissenters say why didn’t the FSD step in.

I happened to just test drive a new model Y having never done so before and not being very interested for various reasons. I may be getting the new L version when released soon in the US it was very impressive especially for the current price compared to the competition and how impressive FSD was is part of my change of heart.

You can hold the accelerator while FSD is engaged to tell it to go faster, this made sense but I assumed it was a suggestion not a go down with the ship command.

So the question is should FSD prevent unsafe speed and ramming objects when engaged even if operator holds accelerator. Based on what I saw with FSD it should know the speed limit and that it was heading to a dead end cul de sac ahead of time and the cameras should see the house near the end perhaps too late to stop but at least slow down.

The argument is I have heard there are actually regulations requiring it to accept accelerator input regardless but I have used other vehicles that emergency brake based on sensor input while manually driving even somewhat annoyingly when no actual obstruction exists (phantom braking).

My thoughts are FSD was on so the accelerator is a suggestion not a to the death command and it should have not allowed the vehicle to enter the house at 70 mph. So while the driver is at fault so is FSD and the complacency it presents contributes to driver error.

Most likely explanation is the driver panic hit the accelerator instead of brake. From driving with FSD it seem easy to get complacent and then do something like that when needing to take over vs normal driving where you are already engaged with braking and accelerating manually.

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JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago | parent [-]

> the telemetry shows the FSD was on and driver held the accelerator down the whole time and the car did 70+ mph into the home

We don't know what the telemetry shows. Tesla tweeted something. The driver says something else. That's insufficient data with which to conclude anything with confidence.

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SigmundA 12 hours ago | parent [-]

That is the current public information if it is true is only the driver at fault?

What are the alternatives? FSD on and no driver input? FSD off and driver rammed house without assistance?

This is mostly a thought experiment for me provoked by the incident after being impressed to buy one.

Tesla obviously wants to blame driver to absolve themselves while it’s obvious to me driving with FSD is not the same as driving normally when it comes to reacting to unusual circumstances and a certain amount of responsibility is given to the FSD.

Based discussion with the younger owners of FSD it’s obvious driving around manually will be like driving stick shift soon or writing in cursive, an atrophied skill that the younger generation will have no use for.

	▲	JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> if it is true is only the driver at fault? Probably not. If FSD (Supervised) led to predictable complacency, I could see a jury holding Tesla partly responsible.