> Yes, horrible, but at what point does the consensus become that October 7 starts to look like a small event in light of the death toll on the other side

At the point when other side (free palestine and alike) start acknowledging it. Two wrongs don't make something right.

Start with teaching Palestine supporters that hamas is not the answer. And maybe, maybe after that people start seeing Palestine people as victims. Without it, most people will continue supporting Israel, not because they think that it does no wrong. But in comparison with hamas and their supporters Israel is lesser evil.

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olelele 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To go back a long long while, the Israeli state was also founded by religious paramilitary organizations. Irgun et al.

Hamas IS the only organization to survive Israeli assasinations & internal conflict. Why is it there are no secular Palestinian groups left?

IMO Hamas / Netanyahu & the Kahanists are both the worst possible leadership on both sides.

The Kahanists literally murdered the Israeli prime minister for shaking hands w Arafat.

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hashstring 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> most people will continue supporting Israel

Your perspective is divorced from reality.

Across the 36 countries, a median of 67% of adults have an unfavorable view of Israel, while 25% have a favorable view [1].

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/06/04/most-peop...

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kykeonaut 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In what world is 20,179 dead children the lesser of two evils?

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gershy 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The pro-israel argument is that hamas are almost entirely to blame for those numbers (as they use civilian infrastructure for war purposes)

	▲	hardbass 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Almost all Israelis are IDF members, members of various intelligence and defense companies. If we plotted a map of a suitable attack radius around all valid combat targets in Israel, almost the entirety of their "civilian" regions would be covered.

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lorecore 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> maybe after that people start seeing Palestine people as victims. Without it, most people will continue supporting Israel

Most of the world sees Palestinians as the victims and Zionists are very much the global minority. Hamas made that a reality, so I think they are the answer. I certainly support their resistance to Zionism, just like the Haitian slave revolt.