mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process, or just ignoring their irrelevant input and knowing what to do.

if you throw millions of tokens at IDA Pro MCP with the right prompt lets just say security by obscurity fails miserably because there is no obscurity when the LLM chews through the decompilation.

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baq 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It isn’t bad, it isn’t good. It’s just how the world looks now. All software is open source now, some of it is just more open, some of it is less.

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	▲	robocat 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		> law enforcement wasn’t able to keep up with those people Law enforcement is almost irrelevant to cause and effect. Enforcing laws between jurisdictions mostly requires military or heavy economic incentives.

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gaiagraphia 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"mediocre people"

I'm glad to see the mask is falling off the privileged caste.

Is there anything inherently wrong about open access to tools? (Apart from rent payments).

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dlmanning 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The "privileged caste" being people who actually expended the effort to learn things for themselves?

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gaiagraphia 3 days ago | parent [-]

And such people learnt everything from the beginning? From fire?

Where's the cut off point of where learning something for yourself becomes the signal for entrance to the enlightened caste?

	▲	dlmanning 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		It's the point where you expend effort to learn a useful skill.

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djhn 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> (Apart from rent payments).

Privilege enables you to rent competence, historically by paying other people. The slop companies will now sell you a simulacrum of competence by the token.

The fact that competence can (could?) only be acquired through sustained effort over a long period of time is (was?) levelling the field.

Selling simulated competence perpetuates privilege, instead of dismantling it like you seem to claim.

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joe_mamba 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process

Isn't this what technology progress looks like? Industrial tools allowed mediocre people to improve their productivity by orders of magnitude which is how we managed(in the past) to build so many amazing things with less human toil and suffering than previous generations.

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imdsm 3 days ago | parent [-]

Progress isn't always welcome by the incumbent who have built their moats on hoarding knowledge over being adaptable

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losteric 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It seems like AI is really hurting the people who don't have a hoard of experience - the juniors and early mid-level tech people.

The incumbents with experience are doing amazing. PM's with Mythos aren't replacing the PE with 20 years of experiences lol.

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pixl97 3 days ago | parent [-]

I mean that is what most technology looked like at first too.

	▲	dlmanning 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Oh okay. So where's the point where AI starts to encourage the development of a new useful skill set among people early in their careers?

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interstice 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you saying programmers aren't adaptable? I don't think I've ever seen this field pause to take a breath.

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dlmanning 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not all of us think encouraging people to outsource their own thinking to proprietary models is actually "progress."

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virtualritz 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> mythos allowed mediocre people to get results by holding their hand through the process,

Yes, just like early cars allowed mediocre horse riders to get from A to B with dignity.

Or like my Japanese rice cooker allows a person like me, utterly shitty at preparing this, to eat some rice that is cooked to perfection.

Etc.

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greggsy 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I mean, the calculator is my go to analogy I keep bringing up in this debate.

It lets someone with mediocre long division skills to just do the thing they need to do with fewer steps and less friction.

IDA itself is a tool that helps you decompile code without having to do a lot of things.

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teravor 3 days ago | parent [-]

knowing long division does not help you make the calculator do division better.

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dlmanning 3 days ago | parent [-]

Understanding math absolutely makes a calculator more useful to you though.

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teravor 3 days ago | parent [-]

and if you work that into the parent's analogy you get the point I was making

	▲	dlmanning 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Apologies. I misread the comment to which you replied and gave them unwarranted credit for not making the same tired point about calculators.

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ai_fry_ur_brain 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Should mediocre people be preforming heart surgery?

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p-e-w 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Lots of mediocre people already are.

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garyfirestorm 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It depends. Mediocre doctor in a remote area with right tooling assistance as opposed to no one being available for someone who urgently needs one? Yeah this should be a thing. Should a software bro in NY perform it in dark alley despite having best doctors few blocks away? Maybe not…

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gaiagraphia 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sure many 'mediocre' people perform heart surgery. Only 100 years ago, the idea of a person without a certain surname or race, would've been a ghastly preposition, no?

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dlmanning 3 days ago | parent [-]

Do you... think heart surgery has become LESS dependent on surgical skill in the last 100 years? Cardiovascular surgeons spend MORE time in training now than they did 100 years ago.

	▲	gaiagraphia 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Did heart surgery as we know it exist 100 years ago, or are you trying to conflate things to make a point? "heart surgery" isn't a technique". Name something, literally anything connected to the profession, and tell me whether the training time is naturally bound to keep going up and up.

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sieabahlpark 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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