> every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging

Agreed

> the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot.

They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician.

> Using apps like ABRP

That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app. I drive until my gauge gets "low" and then find the next gas station - I can be assured that almost anywhere I will make it to a gas station if I start looking when the gauge reaches 1/8 (though I refuse to let it go below 1/4 for safety reasons). No app needed for gas, there are big signs everywhere that alert me where I can fill up. Last road trip I looked for those signs wondering if I could have used the EV and there wasn't 1 in 300 miles: then I pulled up the app, and there were plenty - but none where in places you could see from the main road and none advertised (they were also a lot less common than gas stations)

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vablings 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician.

In my personal experience most, homes have a dryer outlet in the washroom connected to the garage at least in TX. It's no bother running a cable from the washroom to the garage.

> That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app

Any time I am making a long drive I always use a GPS app such as Waze or Apple Maps, I don't know what's on the road ahead traffic, accidents and closures the app will re-route me appropriately and optimally. If you made a drive so regularly you felt like you didn't need an app then you would already know on that route where charging stations are.

I do agree they are less common than gas stations because of a few reasons but that's set to change with time and market adoption.

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alistairSH 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tell me about this "garage" it sounds magical. ;)

For me, installing a 240V outlet for charging would entail...

Running a new circuit from the breaker box (back wall of basement) to the front facade (40' forward, 1 level up) with whatever drywall patching/paint comes with that.

That gets the outlet. But, I don't have a driveway, so I'd need to trench my front yard and the public sidewalk in front of my house, so I can pull the charge line through to the front edge of the curbing adjacent to my parking space.

I figure all-in, that's a $10k buy-in that only serves one of my two cars, so I'm stuck rotating cars every few days (not a big deal, just not ideal). Only one of my parking spaces is assigned - the other is "guest parking" open to anybody.

And I fully realize my situation might not be the norm, but it's not far off for many TH or condo residents.

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bluGill 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

TX is the key. Where I live nobody would put a washroom in an unheated space - the pipes would freeze and break. Thus no easy to get at dryer outlet. I'm not sure how far north things change, but my impression is not very. Rest areas in TX often don't put doors on the restrooms (thus heat is not possible), but OK does - implying that it gets cold enough to need them (but this was also very different ages of building so not a fair comparison)

I use a GPS when I don't know the route, but I've been to parents in a different state several times - I don't need a GPS interrupting my music to get there.

I agree EV chargers are being installed and will be installed more and more.

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alistairSH 8 hours ago | parent [-]

FWIW, placing a climate-controlled laundry room or mud room between the house and the garage is pretty common here in VA. It might not have the dryer (washer/dryer have mostly moved upstairs to bedroom level for new builds), but there's a good chance it won't be hard to pull that 240 circuit into the garage.

That's assuming you have a garage and the breaker box isn't already in it, which is also common.

Of course, I have neither, so installing a car charger would be expensive. Thus my continued use of ICE vehicles.

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bluGill 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I do have my laundry room right next to the garage. However, I would not consider it a useful place to plug in a car, except maybe as an extreme emergency. It requires moving the dryer out of the way since the outlet is near the floor behind it. While this is certainly possible to do, it's not exactly easy. Also, your typical dryer plug is built to remain plugged in for years on end and so even if you would try this, it will wear out the socket really quick.

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		You can get a "Dryer Buddy" or similar transfer switch and plug both the car and dryer into it.
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kevin_thibedeau 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It isn't legal to have multiple receptacles on 20A+ circuits. New work has to connect to a panel directly.