| ▲ | whycome 13 hours ago |
| I don’t care that it’s EV. I’m just stoked that they’re making an actually modular system like this. I don’t know why it’s not possible with other cars. |
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| ▲ | lastofthemojito 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I blame the dealers, at least somewhat. In the early days of the Scion brand, the idea was something like, all of the cars are shipped to the dealer as base models, customers could choose from a menu of add-ons, and the dealer would install them. Want just the basic car? Fine. Want to add keyless entry and mood lighting and a CD changer and chrome alloy wheels? They'll add those for you. But (at least in my experience), that made for a worse product than having factory installation and QA. I bought a brand-new car from a Scion dealer in 2005 and indicated I wanted to add keyless entry. I paid the dealer, they did the install, and I left ... with a car that would intermittently fail to lock some doors with the key fob. I realized shortly thereafter that the dealer had installed an aftermarket system to save money rather than the offical Scion keyless entry system. I complained and eventually got them to install the right system, but jeez, that did not enhance my experience compared to just finding a car that was built in a factory with the options I wanted. I'm not saying the modular Slate pickup isn't cool. I'm kind of tempted by it. But I wouldn't be surprised if people find themselves with leaky roofs, electrical gremlins and random squeaks and rattles compared to if they just bought some other truck/SUV and left it alone. |
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| ▲ | bluGill 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also assembly lines can achieve the scale factors needed to pay for all the jigs needed. A dealer doesn't sell enough cars to afford those expensive jigs. Making your cars in the factory is nearly always going to be cheaper the dealer customization. The dealer can do minor things that are quick and easy, but putting a different back on the bed on is something the factory should be able to do better and cheaper. | |
| ▲ | eddieroger 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I vaguely remember that from the Scion days. I wonder what that does to liability? Like if it's something that impacts the safety of the vehicle - like a roll bar? - who takes on the liability if it's a dealer option? | | |
| ▲ | echoangle 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Probably depends on who made the mistake. If the design is faulty the designer, if the part itself is faulty factory, if the installation was wrong even though the instructions were reasonable, the person doing the installation. |
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| ▲ | nashashmi 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It makes sense for a utility truck to be modular. I cant say the same for vans and sedans. |
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| ▲ | eagerpace 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tesla made some progress with this, but it’s the dealer network. The existing manufacturers are beholden to it and $200 oil changes. |
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| ▲ | red_hare 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oil changes aren't the best example. They're pretty easy to do at home for basically everything and filters are pretty standardized. But car batteries, brake pads, tire pressure sensors are all becoming increasingly software-locked in. We're lacking open standards for this stuff. | |
| ▲ | NDizzle 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | $200 oil change?! I pay $85 for a 5.7L V8 with a 7.5 quart capacity. Who is paying $200??? | | |
| ▲ | malfist 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My stealership wanted $158 for the 10k mile maintenance for my EV. That maintenance is a visual inspection, tire rotation and "high voltage battery test" (meaning they plug it into their charger for 5 minutes and see if it charges). I can charge it at home. The tire discounters by me charges $15 for a rotation if they didn't sell you the tires, and they do the inspection to see if there's anything they can sell you. | |
| ▲ | pc86 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you go to a BMW or Mercedes dealership with no coupons or anything it'll be about that. It's less that the oil change costs that much and more that they don't want you to show up with a car they've never seen for an oil change when they can make more doing other work in that bay. So it's priced to keep people out rather than to draw people in. |
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| ▲ | xnx 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The tradeoff is creaks and rattles. |
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| ▲ | __s 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.andysautowreckers.ca they have a field of junk cars that people come in & harvest parts from |
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| ▲ | whycome 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I decided I hate their website.
If I'm looking for a part, sometimes the part applies to multiple model years and I'm not convinced that they've organized it with that taken into account. Also, I don't necessarily want to search for a specific part -- I may just want to know if they have certain vehicles. Why can't I just search by make/model/year and give me a list of all parts. If that's too taxing on the database add in classifiers like "electrical" "interior" or whatever the hell else. And the initial search form is enraging because it "tries to help" by automatically selecting the subsequent dropdown when I'm already clicking it and it sends me into the wrong section. | | |
| ▲ | __s 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're not organized: you go into the yard, find the vehicle you're looking for, take the part out yourself, & they weigh it on the way out |
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| ▲ | close04 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The modularity is there with classic manufacturers too, just not "exposed" to the buyer. Cars use a common platform and you can still buy the classic or fastback, different styling packages, but you won't be able to self service them after the sale. I don't really know how much Slate is the Framework of the auto world, and how much it's just customization options at purchase time. Most people who buy a car would never be bothered to "tweak" it later, upgrade, add stuff. Modularity also constrains the design and could add some reliability issues. The biggest benefit would be home repairability so I think that's a big driver for why other manufacturers don't do it. EVs already require less maintenance so that's lost revenue. P.S. Looking at the options on the site, other than the body style everything else is just as easy to have on any other car. Most of the customization is purely esthetic (wraps, decals, rim options, light plates) and even the practical options like light bars or roof racks are common in the OEM world for any classic brand. |
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| ▲ | mlhpdx 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This concept makes a lot of sense for first time car buyers. Having never owned a car, maybe being fresh out of college, a car can be a big leap. What will it need, what will it do? Commute? Car pool? Camping? Moving? Boating? If the customization can be done after the fact it lowers the risk of buying. Makes sense to me. | |
| ▲ | happyopossum 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The difference is that with a slate you’re not limited to buying one of the versions of the modular platform - you can swap them out yourself. Want an open air 5 seater in the summer and an enclosed pickup the rest of the year, except for November when you really want an SUV? Sure, no problem. | |
| ▲ | FloatArtifact 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you tried to get an EV part independent of a dealership? |
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| ▲ | linuxftw 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| GMC made a modular system for like 50 years, it's called the SBC. |
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