| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago |
| Rome took some unexpected Ls against the barbarians too. Didn’t change the trajectory of the empire. |
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| ▲ | shakna 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The failure to integrate the barbarian Goth refugees is generally marked as the beginning of the fall - and absolutely changed the trajectory of the empire. |
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| ▲ | rayiner 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | “Failure to integrate” is one way to describe the Goths sacking Rome. But I agree the barbarians did them in at the end. My point was that the Iran fiasco is more like the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, where Rome backed off after taking a beating. That didn’t mark a transition away from Empire, simply a retreat after a military loss. | | |
| ▲ | shakna 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | And my point, is the current administration is closer to Caligula and Nero, than they are to Varus. You see this as nothing more than another blip in a long history. I see unstable and dangerous individuals getting standing ovations for failure. "I don't care if they respect me so long as they fear me." - Caligula. |
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| ▲ | marcus_holmes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The "trajectory of the empire" is that it became the Roman Catholic Church. Rome still rules a sizable portion of the world's population. I wonder if the USA is going the same way. Democratic Church of America? |
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