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rglullis 7 hours ago

Exactly. Cryptocurrency is useful as as a backup system against failing/weak institutions. Just that. Like insurance, it was not there to make anyone's lives better but simply to become a safeguard to avoid complete collapse.

astoor 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it was just a backup against failing/weak institutions it would be relavively benign, but the problem is that it incentivises machiavellian types to undermine society and nation states for their own personal profit - see e.g. The Sovereign Individual[0].

Combined with effective accelerationism[1] you can see why we could be heading towards somewhere a whole lot worse than The Bad Place.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_Individual

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_accelerationism

slopinthebag an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Proponents of weak and failing institutions would make this exact claim about any sort of backup or alternative.

pixl97 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Two things can be true at the same time.

gom_jabbar 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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prewett an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It doesn't even do that. If there's complete collapse, there won't be a reliable network to transact over, and not reliable electricity to run the network and do the processing.

derangedHorse an hour ago | parent [-]

What are you thinking of when you say "complete collapse"? Zimbabwe's currency collapsed yet they still had access to electricity and a networks. It sounds like you're envisioning an apocalypse.

mrhottakes 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not even useful for that, it's controlled by those same institutions now.

munksbeer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Just that. Like insurance, it was not there to make anyone's lives better

This is revisionism. That is not at all how it started.

pjc50 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

However, I think there's an argument that the existence of that backup, or at least its marketing, might of itself encourage people to make the institutions fail so they can profit from it.

rglullis 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That's a weak argument. If the institutions can collapse because a few powerful people can work against it, then the institution has already failed in the first place.

Trump and the general rise of Populism is not the cause of the fall of Western democracies, it is a consequence.

mrhottakes 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You don't seem to grasp that the answer isn't "oh well, Western democracies were just going to fail I guess"

inigyou 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The answer to what?

mrhottakes 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

The answer to institutional collapse, the topic of the post to which I replied.

felixgallo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're going to have to show your work on that one. Western democracies are suffering not because they are failing, but because they have been chipped away at for decades by fanatical right wing billionaires intent on eliminating taxes and securing their place in a perpetual oligarchy.

JeremyNT 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Exactly. Cryptocurrency is useful as as a backup system against failing/weak institutions. Just that. Like insurance, it was not there to make anyone's lives better but simply to become a safeguard to avoid complete collapse.

Meh, it's arbitrage against slow moving financial regulations.

There are times when financial regulations are "bad" in a way that this trait is desireable - i.e. your failing institutions use case - but in many cases these regulations are, actually, there for a reason.

And now in practice crypto transactions for "normal" people are performed by bank-like institutions who log every transaction anyway, so this characteristic is really only valuable to the people deeply involved in the crypto world who are using it mainly to do "normal" crimes.

dboreham 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Except it requires institutions in order to work.

rglullis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, but the institutions don't need to be performing their function particularly well.