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50 points by exvi 7 hours ago | 34 comments
JdeBP 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was just talking about a fun and largely forgotten feature of Joy+Horton vi elsewhere.

* https://mastodonapp.uk/@JdeBP/116793159030149624

You can see it here in Ritter vi on lines 83 et seq. of ex_vis.h . vi actually has three flavours of its 'open' mode, for cursor addressable video terminals, non-cursor addressable video terminals, and actual paper terminals.

There's an as-yet unfilled niche for the retrocomputeristas with genuine ADM-3s or (as someone pointed out) TI Silent 703s and suchlike to do a YouTube video showing Joy+Horton vi in its 3 open modes.

imglorp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As an undergrad around 1984 I stumbled on some AT&T 3B2's in the computer lab and started to play. Knowing nothing of Unix (would have been ~ SVR3.x), I asked for help and the TA said something like "read the fine manual" as was customary. So I started off with "man something" and off we went, ending up at "man 1 vi", the glorious, pure original, none of this vim stuff...

Of course when I got onto the BSD VAX, someone set me straight and it was Emacs from there on..

GaryBluto 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tangentially related, I wish more websites and blogs looked like this now. It's elegant and modern but simple.

voidUpdate 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wish it took up more than 640 pixels on the left of my 1920 pixel screen. I changed the CSS of the body to be 900pt instead of 480, and it renders at 1200px wide, which looks a lot nicer to my eyes. Didn't bother trying to center it though, which would have improved it even more

himata4113 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lacks centering, other than that I also found it enjoyable to look at.

deadbabe an hour ago | parent [-]

That’s a feature. It lets your thumb scroll comfortably in a larger blank area so the content is always in view for you. There is no reason for things to be centered, it does not aid readability.

lunar_rover 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This only works on large enough tablets. On phones the page isn't readable without a 3x zoom.

himata4113 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not a feature on a 32inch ultrawide.

deadbabe an hour ago | parent [-]

Use smaller window

zamadatix 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Use phone horizontally.

Much more practically, the best designs are the ones who don't demand of the user they be consumed in a single form across every scenario.

christophilus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To me, the justified text makes it an effortful read.

Gualdrapo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yup, I hope every one agrees to leave proper justified text to LaTeX/ConTeXt/Typst/<your_favorite_typesetting_software>, doing such thing for HTML is still ugly and makes things harder to read

nosioptar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Breaks Firefox's reader mode.

Looks like dog shit on mobile.

I agree that this general style is good, just without some of this page's fuckups.

kps 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Chrome's too, but why? It's just plain HTML.

heftig 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Mobile browsers are assuming you're looking at a legacy page optimized for desktops (widescreen) and have a relatively large virtual screen size by default. They expect you to manually zoom in as necessary. Adding this helps:

  <meta name="viewport" content="width=640, initial-scale=1">
This matches the max-width specified by the CSS. However, a smaller viewport width might be appropriate to increase the text size on mobile.
chorizo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Safari reader mode on mobile works great. But then again, this is a site where you should not need it.

senthil_rajasek 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A 2007 article from sourceforge.net and it's not even throwback Thursday.

"Gunnar Ritter <gunnarr@acm.org> 2007-11-29"

herodoturtle 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's been years since I heard the term "Throwback Thursday", funny that reading it here felt like a throwback in its own right ^_^

wyclif an hour ago | parent [-]

It's still very much alive.

mghackerlady 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wish elvis was still around. I don't want everything vim has but I like syntax highlighting and other conveniences

sombragris 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Is still around, at least for some values of "around".

Elvis, at its latest release (2.2.0) is a required part of Slackware, part of the A (essential system) package series. I have it installed on my system, alongside Plasma 6.7 and kernel 7.1.

JdeBP 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See infobox.

* https://jdebp.uk/FGA/vi-family.html#elvis (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132452)

jbverschoor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

vim with mouse frustrates the hell out of me.

Just give me basic vi, or a complete editor

setopt 3 hours ago | parent [-]

`set compatible`?

haunter 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Github mirror + some bugfixes

https://github.com/n-t-roff/heirloom-ex-vi/

fragmede 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

:x is a vim feature, so this wouldn't support it, so you'll have to use :wq instead.

JdeBP 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Incorrect.

:x is a vi feature, that was introduced by Mary Ann Horton to actual Joy+Horton vi in February 1980.

* https://code.illumos.org/plugins/gitiles/illumos-gate/+/refs...

Ritter's vi is derived from Joy+Horton vi. Illumos has the original.

atsaloli 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

or ZZ to save and exit

alkyon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Repeat ZZ to save & exit if there are more files to edit

ZQ - discard & exit

herodoturtle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

28 years of vi and TIL about ZZ.

Thanks friend! ^_^

bbaron63 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

ZZ is the first vi command I learned. After typing vi and only seeing a column of ~s, I asked how do I get out of this thing. Someone answered - ZZ.

wyclif an hour ago | parent [-]

Did they say "zz" or specify [capital] "ZZ"?

mghackerlady 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I just learnt it the other day, as well. Granted, it was from chapter 1 of "Learning the vi and vim Text Editors" but shhh

mikejulietbravo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

text editors 5ever