That is a glorified trail camera, really does very little to help people live with wolves. What does is a strict hunting quota; the government decides how many wolves there should be, rather than nature.

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hcfman a day ago | parent [-]

There's the killing again.

And no, it's not a glorified trail camera. Very different.

Everyone wants to kill before trying measures to keep people and their animals apart.

I don't think you can say it does nothing to help people live with wolves because it's not being tried. It's not being tried, because people being convince the only thing that helps is killing everything that requires a bit of effort to live with. I realize it's very human to destroy and kill, but I think we should strive to do better.

Humans have already stolen so much from nature and the animals, don't you think a little effort to do better would be a good thing?

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dvt 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> There's the killing again.

Do you not understand how ecosystems work? Or how populations of predator/prey are in various (usually) oscillatory states?

> Humans have already stolen so much from nature and the animals

I'm confused, are you saying humans are somehow not part of nature?

	▲	hcfman 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sure they are. But try mentally reversing the situation. If any other single species occupied and changed the landscape as much as humans they would be viewed by humans as the most horrific plague on earth. So I'm just a little empathy would be well placed here. A little effort to try and co-exist with the other inhabitants would not be out of place and as a bonus you can think a little better of yourself.

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gonzalohm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

A lot of people are like that when dealing with nature. Oh I don't want squirrels in my backyard, let me put some poison...

We really don't deserve a place on this planet

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pocksuppet 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's a fine attitude for squirrels which are ultimately harmless, but wolves can attack people, although that's somewhat rare, not like bears which attack you every time.

Wikipedia says wolves are more likely to attack humans if they've been living around humans for a while - they learn that humans are viable prey, not that humans are harmless.

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jltsiren 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Bear attacks depend on the (sub)species. European brown bears are very shy and much less likely to attack people than wolves.

Finnish people traditionally respected bears but were not afraid of them. Historical records mostly tell of two kinds of bear attacks. Either children / old people herding cattle in the forest accidentally got too close to a bear cub, or adult men were hunting bears and something went wrong.

	▲	hcfman 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We have systems in Finland as well. We have detected Lynx a number of times. Later this year some systems will move to bear country.

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gonzalohm 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Climate change also kills people and we don't do anything about it

	▲	hcfman 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There is a lot not to be proud of about human behavior. Still.. one has to try to be a little positive about there being hope as hopelessness is contagious.

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micromacrofoot 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

same with mosquitoes, let's just spray or fog and kill all the other bugs too... including ones that kill mosquitos

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nullstyle 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ll argue mozzies are responsible for more suffering than humans any day of the week. They need to go. Lets just get our targeting good enough.

	▲	micromacrofoot 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		the good news is that if we can't figure out how to target them specifically soon, we'll have already killed all the side effects

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idiotsecant 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

... What do you think wolves do all day?

	▲	pvaldes 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They mostly sleep and play all day. As anybody with a chonky dog at home can confirm. And they provide premium ecological services all night that would be really expensive to cover by ourselves.