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KronisLV a day ago

> I’m underwhelmed by how Anthropic is presenting the behavior of their application. If you ever need a record of the logic a used by YOUR AGENT during a session.

Nope, not your agent, if you're not running it locally. You just get to use it in whatever way they allow (also see the whole OpenClaw backlash and claude -p changes), unless there'd be regulation and laws around this (which there aren't and would be lobbied against anyways).

> Getting the full thinking output requires an enterprise agreement.

If you truly need it, then that's a (costly) option. Seems like they're largely doing this to prevent other AI foundries from doing as much distillation and stealing their CoT output en masse.

Luckily more open models don't generally do that.

Edit: If you still need something decently capable in the cloud, I’d suggest GLM, DeepSeek, MiMo or Kimi or Minimax, maaaybe sometimes Mistral for a simple EU subscription. Or look at all the pay-per-token options on OpenRouter, though be mindful of quantization.

For running something locally Qwen 3.6 35B A3B is presently a decent starting point but it will be rather limited, either way you can look up the Unsloth quants on HuggingFace for something like llama.cpp or Ollama or LM Studio.

All will work with OpenCode and Kilo Code, and most other tools. Can also try with Claude Code, I made a tool for that too: https://ccode.kronis.dev/ (or just set the env variables and maybe some aliases for something close enough), but frankly OpenCode is nice nowadays.

qsxfthnkp2322 a day ago | parent [-]

They would rather spend time and focus hardening against open models stealing their intelligence than make their tooling better for the people who use them.

Proprietary technology is fun /s

What a waste of time

KronisLV a day ago | parent [-]

> They would rather spend time and focus hardening against open models stealing their intelligence than make their tooling better for the people who use them.

Well yes exactly, because they have billions of investments riding on it and why would anyone semi-bankrupt their org paying API rates for Anthropic, if a hypothetical DeepSeek V5 Pro would have almost all of Opus capabilities at that point, due to immense distillation?

qsxfthnkp2322 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Like most things this race is starting to become a race to the bottom.

Will people keep paying a highly highly premium price for another 5% intelligence when you just loop 5 more times for much cheaper?

Their time would be better spend making a more competitive and more compelling tool instead of adding walls that are easy to jailbreak. There’s always another way around.