| ▲ | Dostoyevsky isn't difficult(autodidacts.io) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 44 points by surprisetalk 2 days ago | 31 comments | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | still-learning 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I thoroughly enjoyed Crime and Punishment, The Idiot, and White Nights, but I'm finding myself slogging through Karamazov. I'm about 600 pages in and its picking up at least. Banking on it all being worth it in the end. Normally I subscribe to the quote "life's too short to read a bad book", but making an exception for Dostoyevsky. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | functionmouse a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Shoutout to The Gambler | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | stevenwoo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
One thing is a lot of common television/movie tropes are instantly recognizable in one form or another in there, the murder in Crime and Punishment is a series of coincidences and lucky timing for him to initially get away with it that would not be out of place in modern thriller or comedy. I had the same issue with the names so I took notes and bookmarked the Wikipedia page for the books to refresh my memory of whom was whom until it stuck. Audiobooks (most of the russian classics are free from my local library)help a lot with the pronunciation if one is like the writer and pattern matches names - hearing them a few times initially is very helpful. Side note - not a sea person but only from audiobooks learned i didn’t know how to pronounce English words boatswain, gunwale and forecastle. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | gaiagraphia 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lol, remember being in my early 20s on a train and trying to read Crime and Punishhment, and just kept skipping random 5 pages here and there, before going back to playing Durak with some random Tajiks (who got kicked off the train in some random place...). The huge pages of French didn't help. Prefered Demons, personally. Probably becuase I read it when more mature. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | olvy0 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Funny, I'm just reading War and Peace myself (the Anthony Briggs translation) and having the same reaction, gushing occasionally to people I know how approachable it is, and how darkly funny and modern it feels. Well, at least after passing through the first ~200 pages which are a slog. I didn't find even Tolstoy's historical musings boring, although he tends to repeat himself. And I usually suck at names, but the main characters are done so well I find them easy to remember. There aren't that many important ones despite how it seems at the start. It also serves as a fascinating peek into the daily lives of Russians of all stripes in the early 1800s. I also had the same reaction to Crime and Punishment as the OP did. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | david927 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I also stumbled onto Crime and Punishment at 18 and expected it to be difficult and was blown away with how Dostoyevsky wrote one of the greatest novels of all time, to be sure, but as the author here says, also how engaging he made it. The scene where he commits the crime is an absolute stunner, edge-of-your-seat, thriller. Who does that? Who can pull that off? Dostoyevsky | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | archonis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Sometime in the 90s we started getting really good Dostoyevsky translations, and they make a huge difference. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | enthdegree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
From the circles I am exposed to Pevear and Volokhonsky's translations are not seen as the most natural ones (although they are the only ones I have read because of the cool abstract paperback covers). I have heard they miss anecdotes and humor in favor of word accuracy. Characters are always "twisting their mouth" and similar. I'm looking forward to re-reading Demons in some other translation. He might have been well served by Garnett. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | sharts an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
IMO The Russians were always more of a joy to read than English and Americans | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | waynecochran 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I have never read a book I hated more than The Brothers Karamazov. I never read a book that depressed me more than Crime and Punishment. No more Dostoevsky for me. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | mikrl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The death of Ivan Ilyich by Tolstoy is bleak, humane and fairly short. I enjoyed it like a good Charles Dickens | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ks2048 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This rings a bell, because I decided to tackle Don Quixote (English translation). At 200 pages in (of around 1000, I think), it’s funny and entertaining and feels fresh. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | blueblazin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Not difficult, just boring. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Barrin92 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
He isn't difficult but I always thought Nabokov (in his fairly incendiary reviews http://wmjas.wikidot.com/nabokov-s-recommendations) was on point that he was sentimental, preachy and mediocre as an artist. I found Dostoyevsky a slog to get through and it might have been made worse because he was sold to me as this 'great psychologist' when psychological realism is often missing from his stories and characters become page-long megaphones for some version of Orthodox Russian nationalism or Christianity. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | _doctor_love an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"I never got into the Russians, they take too long getting to the feckin' point!" "Oh? Not even Dostoyevsky?" "Oh come on now, he was the main offender." - The Guard | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | carabiner an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LMAO he's saying russian lit is readable when using the most bastardized, westernized translations available, Garnet. That was the point of her work and what P&V sought to rectify when they put out their vastly more faithful renditions. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||