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▲ exac 3 hours ago

Fraud aside, I think a more common thought among developers is

> Did my old job only exist because the Product Owners didn't realize we didn't have product-market fit?

▲julianeon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That's the job: experiment until you find product-market fit... or die trying.

▲raincole 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's what a healthy economy looks like.

▲shermantanktop 2 hours ago | parent [-]

At a small company, anyone can damage the company prospects. But product people have outsized negative impact when they are wrong. They can tank the whole company in short order.

Which is maybe as it should be, but it does pit agonized debates over detailed technical work in perspective.

▲pdimitar an hour ago | parent [-]

All true but every time I tried to help with an outsider's perspective -- and IMO us as engineers with systems thinking _can_ contribute -- I was told to shut up and stay in my lane (more politely than that but still crystal clear what's the underlying message + a clear show of we-will-not-debate-this-again).

So let them do damage. I do what I am told, I have the strategic thinking but not many have made use of it. OK. It's their right. I still pocket a wage. They could have gotten more for their money but consciously chose not to. Who am I to stop them? (And not like I actually can.)