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Arodex 3 hours ago

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apparent 3 hours ago | parent [-]

So 5 deaths across 3 years? Doesn't seem worth a headline, especially since it could literally just be noise in the data.

Also, no need to post snarkily about LMGTFY. TFA should have included the base rate, and the fact that it didn't signals that it's not much of a reduction. It also signals that the journalist who wrote it is more in it for clicks than conveying accurate information.

bonsai_spool 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely is - this is such a no-brainer of a public health intervention. We're not touching on the cost of treatment (including inability to have future children! very much something a State should be interested in avoiding).

Arodex 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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apparent 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The linked chart shows that there were none in the 20-24 age range during the during the recent few years. Is the entire population vaccinated? If not (the article doesn't claim this), then the fact that no one in that age range died (and only 5 in the entire under-30 cohort) tends to indicate that it was not a very high base rate.

Are there other sources that show data going back to the 1970s? Probably! I didn't go searching for them. I looked at what was linked above and saw there were very few. As I said, the Guardian journalist didn't include a base rate, which surely would have been included if it bolstered the argument.

EDIT: I just scrolled down further and saw that even the chart that shows trends over time (which I hadn't seen before, having stopped scrolling earlier) doesn't support your point. It shows there were roughly .2 deaths per year per 100k. Not having any deaths in 20-24 for 3 years is not a statistically significant difference, I would imagine, than the .2 figure. Also, there are undoubtedly other cancer-related advances that have made it less likely that a young woman would die of any kind of cancer.

And the data regarding under-30 deaths is muddled because the next bucket up is 25-34, and we don't know what it is up to 29.

Lastly, at the bottom there's this disclaimer, which makes it even harder to tell what's going on with small numbers:

> Note: Non-zero counts of 5 or less are suppressed and presented as 5.

If you have another source, please feel free to share. What we've seen so far (nothing in TFA, nothing of import in the commenter's linked data) isn't remotely compelling.

Arodex 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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apparent 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Your source doesn't say what you think it says, as evidenced by your other mistaken comments in this thread. I was referring to other sources (other than the one you posted, which doesn't say what you think it does) because I wanted to know if anything supported your claims.

Please stop with the ad hominem business, which is frowned upon by the HN guidelines (I see you're new here).

Arodex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I see you didn't go down the page to "trends by age".

It is not ad hominem to point out you don't search and you don't understand.

tomhow an hour ago | parent [-]

> You are not a serious person. Please stop being noise.

This is specifically against the guidelines, notably these lines:

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please stop registering accounts to break the guidelines with. You know what is expected here.