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| ▲ | jacobgold 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd be the last person to downplay the fact that the Bluesky app has a serious retention problem. But it has "broken through" in an incredible way and DAUs/MAUs are quite stable. Registered users is not at all meaningless. Bluesky has those user's email addresses, the mobile app is still installed on many of their devices, they have accounts, and they can potentially be reactivated. For example, if Bluesky announced a feature exciting enough, like subcommunities, it could email those 50M users and possibly bootstrap a serious open network competitor to Reddit. | | |
| ▲ | ftfish 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A chunk of these registered users are apparently "ghost accounts" hosted on a PDS on a trump.com subdomain. https://bsky.app/profile/tyggero.cz/post/3moskpisnuc2t Source: https://sifa.id/stats Statement from Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3mmp27wwnic2j | | |
| ▲ | jacobgold 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Based on your comments, it seems like you're trying to spread FUD? The stats page you linked to explains exactly what's going on. These spam PLC identities have nothing to do with with the tens of millions of real Bluesky registered users. Either you misunderstood or you're being intentionally dishonest. | | |
| ▲ | ftfish 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Never said that, though, plus provided sources. Just adding context for what the total number of users means. | | |
| ▲ | jacobgold 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You still seem to be implying the number of real registered users on Bluesky isn't ~50M, which it is. The PLC identity spam you referenced is not being counted in this number. | | |
| ▲ | ftfish 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If that's the case, then I stand corrected, but a source for that claim would be helpful. | | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is confusing to say "users" when it is actually "accounts", humans tend to associate "user" with another human, where as "account" can cover people and bots (many on atproto) eg. I personally had more than a dozen accounts | | |
| ▲ | jacobgold 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's a fair distinction to make but my (educated) guess is that something like 95% of users have a single account on Bluesky. Most users signed up by downloading the app or visiting the web site and created a single account. As a point of reference, the official Google Play store independently verifies that the Bluesky app has had 10M+ installs. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.blueskyweb... There are no official stats on the iOS app or web but those are both likely similar or larger sources of users. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I would counterpoint that a non-insignificant number of the accounts are spam/bots. Jaz's stats overestimate because it does not remove certain accounts which have been takedown/deleted, let alone those that remain. I have shared analysis of this on HN, Bluesky, and Discord to avoid making educated guesses. The reality is that a significant chunk (>50%) was Blue MAGA, or turned off by them, and I see little prospect that they will reactivate. Outside of the Bluesky echo chamber, there is a deep brand association with Bluesky being primarily political refugees. They see Bluesky as the left-wing Truth Social. I've asked hundreds of people IRL if they have heard of Bluesky, they are far more likely to have this brand association than to have heard of "atproto" (more than half vs 1-2% / can count on one hand). | | |
| ▲ | jacobgold 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure, it may overestimate the exact count, but that doesn't change the fact that tens of millions of real people have downloaded Bluesky and signed up. Right now, Bluesky has one large community, which is already great for some people but not most people. Once Bluesky adds Communities, new communities can form, making it interesting to the other 90% of people who were excited initially and then turned off by it being "one note". | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think your association with Blueksy is painting a rosier picture for yourself than reality portends. Do you know how many of those accounts never add a profile picture or even liked a single post? Do you think people are likely to reactivate to something they checked out once and has only shrunk since? Can ActivityPub/Mastodon add some new feature that will reactivate all the people who tried that out and moved on? If you'd like to crawl the network to get real data, I built this a while ago https://github.com/verdverm/atmunge (it will take a few days to get sufficient data to do analysis, due to rate-limits) |
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| ▲ | tptacek 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't believe the firm behind Bluesky can go to an investor and say "look at all these email addresses we have" and raise on that. | | |
| ▲ | jacobgold 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Of course investors care about registered users, for the same reason I explained. But yeah, they do care a lot more about retention and growth rate for good reason. Bluesky Social, PBC has raised $120M+ dollars from investors. |
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