| ▲ | tartoran 12 hours ago |
| You risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down. |
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| ▲ | gentooflux 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That is an inherent and unavoidable risk regardless, as things stand if you want access to frontier models you are at the mercy of their providers. |
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| ▲ | stingraycharles 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That’s quite a claim. What’s your source for this? |
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| ▲ | 0123456789ABCDE 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026 | | |
| ▲ | stingraycharles 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s totally unrelated. The post I was replying to claimed that if you create a new account with OpenAI and that gets detected, your whole account gets silently “nerfed”. That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics. | | |
| ▲ | mlyle 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics. We're talking about it being invisibly moved to a weaker model if it looks like you're distilling (which is best detected through something that is at least partially a reputational / account metric). Now, Anthropic stepped away from this, but it highlights one more kind of systemic risk you're exposed to when you're not running the model yourself. | |
| ▲ | preg_match 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It demonstrates that: 1. Anthropic certainly has the ability. 2. They’re willing to use it silently. | | | |
| ▲ | 0123456789ABCDE 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > That’s totally unrelated. i disagree, but it seems clear, from how you put it, that there's no point explaining the why |
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| ▲ | handoflixue 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They already reversed course on that decision a couple of days later. Trivial to find a source, but Fable is also rather notably not available to the public right now, so it's not actually a relevant threat. | | |
| ▲ | 0123456789ABCDE 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | excuse me but, is this trivial source you're referring to the url included in the post you're responding to, or did they reverse back to the original intent of keeping refusals quiet? |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| So ... like reddit! :) Thankfully I don't depend on any of such services. It would make me rather angry. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | HN also has shadowbans. If your preferences have showdead=yes, you might see some. | | |
| ▲ | eimrine 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's a decent moderation, shadowban is a totally different thing. AFAIK, your karma is enough to vouch that Flagged topics or comments and return that piece into a regular displaying. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's no difference between shadowban and moderation, shadowban is a moderation tool. |
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| ▲ | qingcharles 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Reddit is the only platform that actually tells you that you are shadowbanned, so at least they are upfront about it, but their appeal system sucks. My friend just appealed every day for just over 600 days and finally got their account un-shadowbanned. | | |
| ▲ | eli 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn’t that definitionally impossible? If they tell you about it then it’s not a shadow ban. | | |
| ▲ | qingcharles 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess it depends on the definition of shadow ban. In Reddit's case it means you can continue to post and comment, it's just that your posts and comments are no longer seen by others. | | |
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| ▲ | inigyou 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Reddit doesn't tell you you're shadowbanned. You are thinking of regular banned. | | |
| ▲ | qingcharles 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, they have fully banned and shadowbanned. If you are shadowbanned you can login and check the appeals page but your posts and comments will no longer be visible. If you are fully banned you cannot log in. | | |
| ▲ | mafuy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is called "muted". It is not a shadowban, by definition. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It doesn't say that your posts and comments are invisible - they just are. |
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| ▲ | ipaddr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No they don't and if they do tell you that means you have been banned. | |
| ▲ | handoflixue 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "It only took two years for my friend to appeal a Ban" If you're willing to wait a couple years, I dare say a few services might have changed their minds by then, so it's too early to judge. | | |
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