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asdff 6 hours ago

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like.

Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the planet.

As for the FCC, I don't really care. I will set up nodes on top of abandoned buildings. I will set up nodes in front of the local FCC field office. I will set up nodes in the middle of the forest. I will set up nodes on buoys out at sea. They may capture me or worse, so be it. I will not be around forever anyhow.

I pray there are still actual hackers out there on hacker news who might consider this idea and help further the technical side. This is a little out of my wheelhouse. I just can't accept this inevitable incoming future where all our communications will be IDed and censored. That is the end game for them. We can't allow for that to happen. This might be the biggest battle yet, bigger than all the other wars where power used us like pawns against the pawns of some other power, because for once in the history of civilization, we'd be fighting for our own right and not some elite group's right. I hope I am not alone in this line of thinking.

emodendroket 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think there's some magical technical trick that lets you do an end run around politics.

DiabloD3 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh, there is.

It was invented by China in the 10th century.

raincole 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The final defense is always to change the government (one way or another). When we need to resort to technical mean we have lost.

iamnothere 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would-be revolutionaries need secure, reliable comms even more than the average person.

verisimi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Change the governance. Both red, blue and the corporate sides are supportive of this.

smalltorch 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, I always wonder how that would actually play out.

The geeks would likely be the elite class force to tumble it if it ever became necassary I reckon.

>That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

andunie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The opposite is true.

throw10920 an hour ago | parent [-]

By this you mean that the first line of defense should be to change the government, correct? If so, I'm pretty sure you're right. Technical solutions to social/governmental problems seem like they're making those problems worse due to actively rechanneling energy that could be used for awareness/activism into technical workarounds.

ibarrajo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can already do this, it’s called reticulum.

Essentially it’s encrypted internet/networking over any type of network including LoRa.

Issue is the size of the community and linking up to actually serve internet or surface public services there.

Magnusmaster 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

I expect the government will require ISPs to only allow connection from approved operating systems that only allow installation of approved apps so we can't do this. Not in the short term, but eventually.

bijowo1676 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think everyone (especially young gen) should absolutely master the offensive hacking skills.

I will certainly teach my kids everything I know about exploiting and destroying enemy computer systems.

This is the equivalent of the 2nd Amendment, but for the Internet space. You should absolutely be able to inspect, disassemble, debug, everything you can in a computer system and have the knowledge to knock it down, if it (or its owner) starts misbehaving.

Literally every single problem with computer system can be solved if the entire population, armed with simple Kali Linux, decides to strike back against the tyranny of the government

memoriesofsmell 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trusted IPSec tunnels to form your own trusted internet of peers/friends within the internet. It's all just 'a LAN' then. I dunno how well that scales, but it's a lot easier than trying to sort out radio shenanigans (which in my experience are actually regularly enforced by FCC/your local equivalents).

Bender 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That's been done a few times with Tinc (open source VPN) [1][2]. It's great until the group includes one bad apple. All it takes is one person with low impulse control, low opsec to bring the whole thing down. Some hacker groups did this some time ago.

[1] - https://www.tinc-vpn.org/

[2] - https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/how-to-set-up-tinc-peer-t...

singingtoday 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That's just the technical problem. It can be solved.

jm4 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You would be breaking numerous laws, your transmitters would be removed quickly, you would be out thousands of dollars in equipment, and no one would be on your network anyway. You would almost certainly go to jail if you tried this.

singingtoday 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you ever actually read all the laws? It's functionally impossible to survive without breaking laws.

post-it 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not that quickly. Tracking down a low-power transmitter in an urban core is technically feasible but a lot of work. Police don't like doing work.

copperx 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The police? Wouldn't that be the FCC?

Bender 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes the FCC. Here [1] were their recent enforcement actions in April 2026 and in May 2026 [2].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMjMlHpus8

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFutq5wyYcI

latentsea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The final defense is to stop having children. Then there's no one to think of.

storus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Self-destruct drones with mesh node transmitters? Radiowave reflectors placed at strategic spots blended with the surroundings? IR multicast transmitters?

lyu07282 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> because for once in the history of civilization, we'd be fighting for our own right and not some elite group's right. I hope I am not alone in this line of thinking

They depoliticized people to this degree that they fantasize of joining the a-political resistance movement, its kind of sad. This isn't meant as an insult, you should be angry that you live in a society that left you politically oblivious. Like no dude, people fought against power all the time, the people who you listen to just told you that all that do are dangerous politicized radicals or terrorists. Find who is punching UP, then get a political education in that direction.