| ▲ | cbdumas a day ago |
| If governments want to set up online age gates, they should be responsible for providing an electronic ID system and enable privacy preserving age verification (zero knowledge proofs) |
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| ▲ | segmondy a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Who is "government" Is it not the people? The people don't want this crap. It's a few zealots with their motives that are pushing this down society. |
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| ▲ | oliwarner a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The people do want this crap. If you have kids of a certain age, you know kids that have had near misses with grooming on Roblox, or have seen the comments from men on child Tiktok accounts. It's a stupid amount of exposure that we just didn't have to deal with as kids. People just don't understand the problems implementing AVS. I'd be much much happier submitting details or a face scan to a .gov.uk service than all these rando verification services. | | |
| ▲ | anthk a day ago | parent [-] | | Then do your parenting and stop limiting the rights of the rest. | | |
| ▲ | oliwarner a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Tell me you don't have teenagers without telling me you don't have teenagers. I'd love kids to do what they're told. That would absolutely solve this but as we all know, they don't. But how are your rights limited? | | |
| ▲ | cowboylowrez 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Who's buying your kids internet access? Are they getting it on a street corner from a stranger? lol I doubt it. | | |
| ▲ | oliwarner 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | They could, yes. You can buy 5GB of service for £2.50 at many convenience stores. Paid cash. This is such a weird angle. Like saying shops shouldn't age check for alcohol because the parents would know. They are also friends with other children who have their own parents, devices and network access. Your child doesn't live in a bubble you have control over. These are all the same fantasy arguments that completely ignore the pervasiveness of the internet and the tenacity of determined children. 15 years of waiting to see if social networks can fix this themselves has only shown us how much they want to exploit us all. They earned this. | | |
| ▲ | Citizen_Lame 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just parent and educate your children mate, it's simply your personal failure. Have you tried talking to them, you would be surprised, they are not dumb. Besides this legislation won't solve the problem, it will simply postpone it, while at the same time it will require everyone to do identity verification to access anything. But it's disappointing to see these kind of comments here, as you are clearly individual with limited technical abilities. Come next election, it will be surprised Pikachu face from many. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "crack dealers are trying to sell crack to my kids at street corners, can we ban that?" "No! Just do your parenting!" | | |
| ▲ | lux-lux-lux 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | > if I replace ‘internet access’ with ‘crack,’ then that sure changes the argument! Damn dude really makes you think | | |
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| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most people want social media banned for under 16s. Some people realized they can use this as an excuse to ram through id checks | |
| ▲ | sifex a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your (the people’s) preferences are largely irrelevant here. https://willbrownsberger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Gile... | |
| ▲ | solumunus a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I want it. As someone who’s trying to keep their kids off screens and social media it’s easier to win the battle when it’s illegal. If I have to provide ID I’ll probably stop using it to and that’s good. Shit is garbage. Hopefully this becomes a global thing and we might get classic internet back, when it was actually good, before social media… | | |
| ▲ | 7734128 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The kids will just use illegal plattforms instead, which will not even try to stay above board or protect children. | |
| ▲ | sunaookami a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You do know that you will need to provide your ID for every single website in the future? | | |
| ▲ | Citizen_Lame 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, no, that's not how it works. They will do remaster of old internet. LOL. People are really dumb. |
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| ▲ | johnisgood a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That is what I have been saying: we need ZKP! I highly doubt they will implement it though. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Zero knowledge proofs don't accomplish the ID checking that the governments want. The reason all of these improvised ID check systems require you to do things like submit a video of you moving your face around (which has its own problems) is because they want to get closer to proving that the ID you submit is actually the ID of the person holding the phone, not just some ID (or zero knowledge proof) you copied from the internet. |
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| ▲ | maxldn a day ago | parent [-] | | But the party verifying that the person matches the id doesn’t need to know what the claim is for |
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| ▲ | thrance a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's coming to European Union citizens. Any day now. |
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| ▲ | 2OEH8eoCRo0 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Implementation detail. Fine companies that allow minors access and they'll find a way to verify age by themselves. For liquor for example I don't think the govt actually specifies that you shall check ID they specify that you shall not sell to minors. |
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| ▲ | foltik a day ago | parent [-] | | > they'll find a way to verify age by themselves. Yeah, by outsourcing it to some shady company that sells all your private info to the lowest bidder. See Discord for example. | | |
| ▲ | 2OEH8eoCRo0 a day ago | parent [-] | | Don't use the site then? Or sites can compete on which age verifies in the least shitty way? I think we have been stuck in this way of life so long we can't imagine an alternative. | | |
| ▲ | foltik a day ago | parent [-] | | Classic. So tell me how I can just not deal with the credit bureaus? Or tax filing companies? Or any site that sells my data to adtech, without totally secluding myself from the modern web? Where’s the supposed competition? What you’re saying is functionally equivalent to “just deal with it,” since ultimately people will choose to have their privacy violated over the lifelong Sisyphean task of trying to avoid all of that. That doesn’t mean people don’t care about privacy, it’s just the current equilibrium in our broken system. > I think we have been stuck in this way of life so long we can't imagine an alternative. I agree. | | |
| ▲ | pbgcp2026 a day ago | parent [-] | | > the credit bureaus? >> Do NOT buy on credit. Close your CCs. Use Debit cards, Wise/Revolut or BC wallet. > Or tax filing companies? >> Do self assessment? Go and see actual CPA personally? |
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