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overfeed 6 hours ago

The 1% hold more than 40% of the wealth, and therefore should be paying much more than 40% of income taxes, based on proportion alone - nevermind historic precedence before trickle-down Reaganomics.

When the top 1% are not in the top tax bracket, something is horribly wrong.

WalterBright 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They are in the top tax bracket.

The federal income tax is based on income, not wealth.

overfeed an hour ago | parent [-]

> They are in the top tax bracket

They are not in the top bracket by choice - a luxury option unavailable to non-wealthy people in the working middle-class who actually are in the top tax bracket.

As you helpfully noted in your second half of your comment, high wealth, deliberately low income[0] means they are not in the top tax bracket[1] on the basis of their carefully calculated, tax-optimized income.

0. Taxable events need be overhauled to cover loopholes, including removing tax-advantages of borrowing against securities. The legal fiction that allows rich people to spend money not recognized as income is deleterious.

1. Warren Buffet, IIRC, noted his assistant was in a higher tax bracket than him.

latency-guy2 an hour ago | parent [-]

> As you helpfully noted in your second half of your comment, high wealth, deliberately low income[0] means they are not in the top tax bracket[1] on the basis of their carefully calculated, tax-optimized income.

There is no optimization for anything actually, its just income. There's lots of different forms of taxes that the US government takes part in as you know. Quitting your day job removes the income part until distribution/settlement for any owned assets.

You can argue for a wealth tax, but conflating two separate concepts is not how you do it.

overfeed 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

> You can argue for a wealth tax

My footnotes are the entirety of my argument, and it's not even as radical as a wealth tax. My argument has 2 easy steps:

1. Remove the arbitrage between actual liquidity events and the limited set of what the IRS currently considers taxable events. Borrowing against securities not being taxable is an example of what's broken. Arbitrage using trusts or LLCs needs to be deleted, based on controlling interests and/or ultimate beneficiary.

2. Align tax rates on capital gains vs. income