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triceratops 2 hours ago

> It’s only expensive and brittle because environmentalists have choked it to death

How did they succeed with nuclear energy but fail so miserably with everything else - fossil fuels, meat, even whaling?

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coryrc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Because they were useful idiots funded by fossil fuel companies.

(also US whaling is nearly banned by the US and most countries, and we're not going to go to war with Japan over it)

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triceratops 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not asking where they got funding. I'm asking why anyone else listened to them on this topic alone. You don't find that strange at all?

The elites, powers that be, whatever you want to call them, had their own reasons for killing nuclear power. And nuclear's economics, compared to fossil fuels, didn't make it a slam dunk to adopt despite powerful opposition. So it had no one to defend it.

Environmentalists weren't just useful idiots then (and I hesitate to call people acting in good faith, without any self-interest, "idiots"). They're convenient fall guys today. The fossil fuel industry killed nuclear power and pinned it on the environmental movement. That had the double benefit of keeping their hands clean while discrediting future environmentalists.

	▲	coryrc an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> I'm asking why anyone else listened to them on this topic alone First, it wasn't this topic alone; whaling too. You also don't need 100% of people to listen. You just need to shift from 45% to 55%. If people were already skeptical about nuclear because they conflate nuclear weapons and nuclear power, then they only need to shift ~10% on the issue. And money gets their message out much stronger. > That had the double benefit of keeping their hands clean while discrediting future environmentalists. Washington State had I-732, which would make taxes less regressive and efficiently tax carbon. Both issues liberals pretend to care about. Most state environmentalist groups fought against this! It got defeated because of that opposition, then those groups put up a different carbon tax initiative which would funnel the money to them to spend as they want. Also shot down with a shift of who voted for and against. Environmentalists are sometimes the villains.