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helterskelter 8 hours ago

I don't know much about this guy, but I remember reading an interview with him maybe 15 years ago where he was asked if his lifestyle had changed since he came into money and if he bought a new house or anything, and his answer was basically something like: "Not really, and I've already got good water pressure where I'm at, what else do I need?" I can't help but like his attitude.

bluedino 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He apparently bought this place in 2016:

https://streeteasy.com/blog/craigslist-property/

jmalicki 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is both absolutely gorgeous and luxurious, yet still at less than $6 million, pretty modest for someone capable of giving away half a billion.

browningstreet 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I respect someone with a good, proper library. So many luxury properties seem to miss that one.

socalgal2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Rooster61 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's a very naive, but common, viewpoint of wealth. "Worth" 1.3 billion does not mean "has 1.3 billion lying around in liquid cash". Net worth is tied up usually in many bank accounts across multiple banks, securities, real estate, trusts, etc. And that's all excluding capital tied up in corporations/orgs. Freeing up and giving away half of a billion dollar net worth is a difficult and time consuming thing, one which requires effort to do.

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deadbabe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess that’s why more billionaires don’t give money away, it’s just too hard.

yieldcrv 2 hours ago | parent [-]

you can donate assets without selling to cash first, the tax incentives and deductions are even better actually

tripleee 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I promise they can afford to hire someone to do the difficult and time consuming thing here.

Rooster61 7 hours ago | parent [-]

They certainly can. And the list of people who have become rich only to have it siphoned away by bean counters is at least as long as the people who are still rich.

hnthrow10282910 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well when you say it like that, he’s basically just one of us!

allarm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No, he's not. Unless, of course, you've founded a company of comparable size.

tripleee 3 hours ago | parent [-]

gotta upgrade your sarcasm detector

csbrooks 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's even easier to give away money when you don't have it.

swatcoder 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's easy for some to give away money if they have it, but it's hard to accumulate that much money if you're one of those people.

Newmark maybe representing the occasional exception, most people who accumulate great wealth through their effort and ideas are afflicted with an addiction problem and have a hard time saying "this is enough for me". They become attached to how much more wealth they might be able to gather and recognize how the wealth they already hold plays a role in making the most of that.

Even if they somehow imagine themselves as philanthropists or minimalists, they tend to put off giving away too much too soon under the rationale that they'll be able to eventually share more if they hold out and use it more practically.

And if you don't have that kind of mindset, you're probably just not going to climb your way into the level of riches we're discussing here. You might still do quite well as far as most people are concerned, but that billionaire milestone is hard to catch without some propensity for wealth addiction.

throwway120385 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Even if they somehow imagine themselves as philanthropists or minimalists, they tend to put off giving away too much too soon under the rationale that they'll be able to eventually share more if they hold out and use it more practically.

What you're describing sounds exactly like Effective Altruism. The issue is that the expected value of an act that happens at an unspecified time in the future is zero.

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paulddraper 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is empirically not easy.

agumonkey 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

t's also really easy to get greedy or ambitious/selfish.

dsatrainer 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd be okay with someone who has it giving it to poor old me who has not

brazukadev 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You would not, tho. The people that think they need to get rich first before giving away won't ever give away. They always want more.

georgemcbay 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it's easy to give away money if you have it.

You'd think that, and yet so few of them give anything significant away (unless you count political donations).

For every one Newmark or MacKenzie Scott who does give there are hundreds who only use charitable trusts as a tax haven, if at all.

So when one of them manages to avoid the extreme-wealth-to-meanness pipeline theorized by Paul Piff (et al) I'm happy to recognize the good they are doing in the world when so many of their peers are going so hard in the other direction.

rayiner 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> MacKenzie Scott

What exactly has been achieved with the billions MacKenzie Scott has given away? She seems to do very little vetting of the organizations she donates to. And upon a cursory inspection, they mostly seem like the kinds of organizations where most of the donor dollars go to white collar non-profit employees that produce little in the way of results, with very little going to needy people.

I feel like the billions might be better used to piggyback on government programs that have already identified need. For example, we could offer universal school lunch for an incremental $11 billion a year (on top of the $18 billion the government already spends). I bet a few of these “giving pledge” billionaires could just fund such a program in perpetuity.

georgemcbay 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really interested in arguing about whether or not she is giving her money away perfectly or to the best causes according to your (or my or anyone's) standards.

She gets credit from me for doing actual philanthropy instead of just cosplaying it for tax purposes, which has been the norm even for quite a few of the other "giving pledge" donors.

As far as bolstering government programs go, I'd love to see billionaires doing more in that area, but I'd also like to see us tax wealth properly to fund the government doing the government's job.

rayiner 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

It seems odd to give someone credit for something while refusing to engage with whether those actions have a meaningful positive effect.

jazz9k 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find that the people complaining the most about billionaires, don't put much effort into help others.

You can always give away labor, in the form of volunteering.

dyauspitr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Giving away money is stupid. With that much money I would rather fund companies that push the frontier on something. If it fails no biggie, if it succeeds it will probably end up employing people and giving them a source of income for life while simultaneously contributing to human progress.

jmalicki 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're saying charities like OpenAI that people have given money to haven't pushed the frontier on anything?

You'd rather vibecode a SaaS or start a dropshipping business because that is somehow pushing the frontier more than a charity like OpenAI people gave away money to?

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Forgeties79 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why wouldn’t you fund nonprofits and artists?

socalgal2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Artists don’t need money. More money is poured into the arts than at any time history.

Motion picture arts, literary arts, video game arts, graphic design arts,

and also at no time has it cost less to get an audience and find supporters. YouTube , TikTok, instagram, twitch, patreon, starsubscribe, gumroad, etc…

rayiner 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of non-profits are just jobs programs for people who run in the same educational/social circles as the wealthy people. Not all non-profits obviously. But a shocking amount when you get close to it.

Forgeties79 6 hours ago | parent [-]

And for-profit companies are better than a quality non-profit…how?

rayiner 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Note my caveat: "Not all non-profits obviously."

I didn't say anything about a "quality non-profit." I said that a lot of non-profits are jobs programs for people who travel in the same social circles as wealthy people. Those non-profits often make little meaningful impact. Those non-profits are worse than for-profit companies because ineffectual for-profit companies at least go out of business. By contrast, fund-raising for non-profits generally isn't based on results, it's based on social networks. Donors get the same tax write-off whether the non-profit is effective or not. And they have social reasons for donating to non-profits run by people they or their spouse went to school with, grew up with, etc.

dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because you get very little value from them. I haven’t seen anything paradigm shifting come out of non profit besides OpenAI which they then promptly turned into a for profit spinoff.

yubblegum 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That or Tribeca have to be my favorite areas of the city to live in if I had silly money which I don't so I don't and likely ever won't unless my venture petfood.ai strikes it big in which case I'll buy the entire building but won't put my name on it with large gold san serif letters. I may be poor but I have class.

sudo_cowsay 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Looks cozy and nice. Pretty humble/modest for a guy like that.

xandrius 4 hours ago | parent [-]

6 million house is not "modest", cmon.

SXX 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you checked real estate prices in Manhattan? Today for these prices you can likely buy an appartment.

Its just area itself is expensive. Not like owns mansion with a zoo and 100 servants.

wahnfrieden an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The 6 million was a decade ago so can’t be compared with today’s prices

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean he owns craigslist I am sure he can summon many people to do his bidding.

mattkrause 2 hours ago | parent [-]

True—-but half of them forget to actually show up and many of the ones that do try to renegotiate the deal.

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you meme it well enough, you could get people to show up for free and still do it.

permalac 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What percentage of his earnings does represent?

parl_match an hour ago | parent [-]

It's still not modest. There's no way in which a $6 million dollar house is "modest".

Don't try to launder it through lying with percentages. It's not modest.

john_strinlai a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

modest is relative. its modest compared to most people of his wealth level.

my house is significantly more modest than that. yet, compared to a mud hut of a remote fishing village, my house is the opposite of modest.

yubblegum 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You need to prove to us that modesty is an absolute quality. Reasonable people would agree that that is a bit extreme ("immodest") and that modesty is relative. (Try cheap instead of modest to see how this works.)

> There's no way in which a $6 million dollar house is "modest".

Relative to his wealth bracket he is being modest but not cheap.

timr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A small 1 bedroom apartment in Manhattan, today, costs a bit under $1 million, on average.

parl_match an hour ago | parent [-]

I would argue that a $1mil manhattan 1br isn't modest. You know, you can start to split hairs what modest means. Is that a modest living space? Sure. Is the privilege of living in manhattan immodest? I also think so.

But at least that's within the realm of "modesty". At least there's at least one element of modesty to it. It's not a multi story 6 million dollar home with a floor to ceiling double floor library.

jryan49 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean is your place modest compared to the average place in a third world country?

winstonp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

do we think he found it on craigslist

nickjj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Makes me wonder what a property like that would go for today, 10 years later.

senordevnyc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That style of library is my dream

mattbettinson 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What an absolute dream

gleenn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had the privilege of working and sleeping in the original Craigslist office/house in San Francisco. It was just another typical, ageing house they had rearranged a little to have a ton of deskspace in the main area. A lot of start ups (including Zappos IIRC) had also been there over the years. They had a mattress in the loft/attic you could crash on if you were up late too.

dlcarrier 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He has a point. Good water pressure us underrated.

urbandw311er 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't help but like his altitude.

dsatrainer 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No that's height, you're thinking of audacity

esafak 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, he is flying high.

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably lives like craigslist looks in terms of simplicity. Love it.

_the_inflator 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like a Warren Buffet. Same house, same car, or Ray Kroc: Look after the customer, and the business will take care of itself.

el_benhameen 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Good interview with him here. Interesting dude.

https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/craig-newmark/