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anon7725 2 hours ago

Is there a cleaner, more consistent technology for baseload?

At a certain point, dollars are funny money if you are destroying the environment to save a few now by generating baseload with a carbon-producing tech.

Of course, let’s build the safest and most efficient nuclear that we can, but “its capex is too high” is not a compelling argument to me.

And to be clear: renewables should form as much of the capacity as possible, but a reliable baseload is obviously still needed.

bryanlarsen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Baseload" is load, not generation. It's not necessary -- for example the small northern grids that only have diesel generators operate fine even though they have no generators that don't have the capacity for quick cycling.

Baseload was a cost optimization. Back in the day it was cheaper to build coal & nuclear plants that took days to power on. Somebody figured out that if a grid was built of a mix of those cheaper plants and more expensive plants that could start up quicker, it would lower costs. The typical grid was baseload coal and gas peakers. But ~20 years ago gas peakers became cheaper than baseload coal and any need or desire for baseload generation went away.

China is building a lot of coal plants to complement their solar buildout. Notably these are not base load plants. Their new coal plants do not run 24/7, they only run at night.

Similarly, many new nuclear plant designs are not base load designs; they are designs that can be safely and quickly turned on and off.

P.S. the correct term for generation is "non-dispatchable", not "baseload"

rayiner an hour ago | parent [-]

> Their new coal plants do not run 24/7, they only run at night

That’s baseload! Baseload is load you can’t turn off: the minimum load that’s required in a 24 hour period. It can be fulfilled with non-dispatchable sources, but it need not be. In this case, China is building coal plants to address the baseload that doesn’t go away at night when the solar isn’t producing.

tcfhgj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

we don't need reliable "base load" but peakers - with more renewables more than ever.

Baseload won't be price competitive with renewables in average or shiny/windy conditions ever

well_ackshually an hour ago | parent [-]

you'll be so happy about being price competitive when the conditions are bad for like a week and the country just doesn't run (or rely on other countries price gouging you for what your country needs to exist.)

Opposing nuclear & renewables is stupid. You need both. You need as many power sources as you can, as quick as you can while the resources are available. Energy is not something you leave up to the invisible hand of the market hoping that price competitiveness means that it works well. Lives are at play.

Tepix an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No. Nuclear is neither price competitive, nor is it available quick enough.

Go fully renewable. Add batteries, like Google is doing. Just one example: https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2026/02/24/google-to-deploy-worl...

bryanlarsen an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> You need both

Why do you need both? It's possible to get 99.99% reliability with wind & solar & batteries & weather modelling. There are multiple ways to handle a week long dankelflaute without nuclear: overbuilding, continental scale distribution, lots of batteries, etc. All are cheaper than nuclear.

It's also virtually impossible to get more than 99.99% reliability out of any grid, even a nuclear dominated one. Local distribution has many single points of failure.

zchrykng 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

How much do those batteries cost and can they supply power for multiple days or a season if your renewable sources aren't providing like normal?

Not to mention the environmental damage from producing and disposing of batteries.